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The whole thing has been absolutely absurd from start to finish Tom Send a noteboard - 02/02/2020 05:46:01 AM

Hunter Biden was completely unqualified for the position that he got. He speaks no Russian, no Ukrainian, knows nothing about the oil & gas industry, nothing of the region, and nothing about really much of anything except how to smoke crack and get strippers pregnant. The fact that a company paid him up to $83,000 a month to perform a no show job makes mafia union jobs look real. The fact they CONTINUED TO PAY HIM THROUGH APRIL 2019 means they were getting what they were looking for from him.

You know what else happened in April 2019? Ukrainian Presidential Elections. Pyotr Poroshenko, the sack of shit oligarch who had been looting the Ukrainian treasury since he replaced the previous Thief in Chief, Viktor Yanukovich, left power in May, but he lost the election in April. He was the one who may or may not have made a deal with Joe Biden. He was the one who was desperate for Hillary to win because she was going to keep allowing him to thumb his nose at Russia and demand that Ukraine get natural gas below market rates because the pipelines go through Ukraine (note that the US establishment hates the Russian pipeline that goes directly to Germany because it will mean that propping up the failed state of Ukraine will be more expensive without all those gas transit fees). He was the one who supported Alexandra Chalupa's efforts. He knew he needed Joe Biden, and Burisma realized that Hunter was their insurance policy.

Then Zelensky came in. Poroshenko never would have investigated the Bidens. In the theory Trump was operating under, Poroshenko knew the terms. You want US aid? Stay away from Burisma as long as my son is there. The Trump theory is that Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, was fired to get him away from Burisma.

Perhaps Trump was wrong. Perhaps this was all innocent. I doubt it, but it's possible. The point is that no one really conducted an impartial investigation into the matter.

First of all, saying Shokin was "corrupt" is irrelevant. What was that line from Apocalypse Now? Shit ... charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500. It's the same principle with corruption in Ukraine. The notion that somehow Shokin was different from his boss, Poroshenko, is laughable. They're all corrupt. So when someone is arrested for corruption, you know that they're guilty, but you also know that the only reason they've been arrested is because their little group lost a power struggle of some sort.

Second, Poroshenko's lackey, Yury Lutsenko, the guy who replaced Shokin, said there was "no evidence" of wrongdoing. No shit. The guy doesn't even have a fucking law degree. Also, they probably shut him up by saying, "You don't want to end up like Shokin, do you?" Lutsenko sat as a Poroshenko holdover until the end of August 2019. His successor barely had time to move into his office and put up a picture of his wife and kids, hire a secretary/mistress and figure out what was going on, when Eric Ciaramella, a/k/a Pajama Boy, a/k/a Whistleblower, who is good friends with the Bidens, starts talking to Schiff and initiates the impeachment process. By this point Zelensky told everyone "stay out of this shit with the US, keep your heads down and let's let it pass".

So Pajama Boy and his friends, the Vindmans, work with Yovanovich (whose parents' biography sounds like they were Nazi collaborators in World War II - that's the only way you got to Canada in 1945) and spin this whole thing to make Trump, and not the Bidens, seem like the guilty party. Note what all these people have in common: a conflict of interest. They're conflicted because they're friends with the Bidens. They're conflicted because they're blindly pro-Ukrainian. They're conflicted because they're blindly anti-Trump. But no one cares.

The President, however, wanted an investigation of the Bidens or at least for Ukraine to announce one so he could kick DOJ and get them to open something too. That's entirely legitimate.

The argument that it isn't legitimate has to ignore everything I've just written and assume that because the President COULD derive benefit from putting that pressure on Zelensky, it was inappropriate. By that same standard, we should impeach Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders. They will likely vote to remove President Trump from office and from the 2020 ballot, which since they are running for President means they CAN derive benefit from voting to remove him from office.

The other arguments hinge on an absurd theory that the President has no right to invoke executive privilege - ever - in foreign policy, which is an area of explicit executive competency under the Constitution.

The Democrats are so removed from all reason that they just make no sense. Every proposal of theirs is more and more divorced from reality, a basic understanding of economics, and the principles of representative democracy that I'm surprised anyone would consider voting for them. Sure, Trump can be rude and unpresidential in his bearing, but his policies are fairly predictable and rational.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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This message last edited by Tom on 02/02/2020 at 06:49:28 AM
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