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Specifically regarding the War on Drugs, minimum sentencing...those are not codified examples like Jim Crow laws. How can I state that? Because the law itself does not say "Individuals of non-Caucasian descent are subject to these specific sentences."

How convenient. So only if a law says "the intent of this law is to discriminate against African Americans" can it be called out for doing so? Outcomes do not matter?


No, instead the law disproportionately effects certain groups. That's not codified racism. It's not entrapment. On the outside, it could be setting up a law with the (unspoken?) goal of locking up a certain demographic of individuals.

I do not care what is spoken or unspoken. I care about what is. What is the effect of a law? That is what you must look at.



I've never been a fan of minimum sentencing, because it takes away a judge's ability to fit the sentence to the individual/situation in a way that no blanket statement can. As for the War on Drugs....well....don't take drugs? Non-violent drug offenders are different from drug cartels and they should be treated differently.
~Jeordam

Except they are not, depending on the drug they use. You do know that a much higher percentage of non-violent Africans American drug users are or were incarcerated than non-violent White American drug users, despite White American using drugs at a higher percentage than African Americans, correct?

Explain to me how that doesn't disproportionately affect the economic and social well being of African Americans.

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