Watch the difference between what he says and what he is accused of.
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 14/11/2010 07:08:08 PM
He asks "Is it out of ordinary for me, as town or scum, to worry about third party kills and to seek out third parties?" because the real question would be "Is it out of the ordinary for me, as town or scum, to deliberately not even try to find mafia?" And the answer is of course yes. Look at previous games, have you even seen Isaac say something to the effect of "I don't think we should will find mafia today, nor do I think we should even try"? And yet that's what he did with that serial killer chase.
He says "Led a lynch on an innocent townie? BlackAdder, Check." and tries to equate this with his serial killer hunt, leaving out that they are completely different - in BlackAdder's case, he was trying to catch a ninja and failed. In White Flame's case, he was not trying to find a Skrull and succeeded in not finding one. He tries to compare killing a townie by mistake to killing a townie by intent.
He asks "Is it out of character for me, as townie or scum, to discuss no lynch?" when the question is "Is it out of character for me, as a townie or a scum, to vote for a no-lynch?" and the real question should be "Is it antitown for me to advocate a no-lynch?"
He asks irrelevant questions like "Is it out of ordinary for me, as town or scum, to accuse someone on day 1?" or "Is it out of ordinary for me, as town or scum, to drop a lynch I feel is not viable?" in an attempt to get people to get in an agreeable position. After all, it is perfectly accurate to say that these are not abnormal behaviours, nor are they anti-town, and he hopes that people will use them to get a good impression of him and forget what the real point was.
Isaac writes in an attempt to obfuscate the issue. The facts are plain and simple: in the span of two days, Isaac has deliberately voted to protect the mafia from lynching.
He says "Led a lynch on an innocent townie? BlackAdder, Check." and tries to equate this with his serial killer hunt, leaving out that they are completely different - in BlackAdder's case, he was trying to catch a ninja and failed. In White Flame's case, he was not trying to find a Skrull and succeeded in not finding one. He tries to compare killing a townie by mistake to killing a townie by intent.
He asks "Is it out of character for me, as townie or scum, to discuss no lynch?" when the question is "Is it out of character for me, as a townie or a scum, to vote for a no-lynch?" and the real question should be "Is it antitown for me to advocate a no-lynch?"
He asks irrelevant questions like "Is it out of ordinary for me, as town or scum, to accuse someone on day 1?" or "Is it out of ordinary for me, as town or scum, to drop a lynch I feel is not viable?" in an attempt to get people to get in an agreeable position. After all, it is perfectly accurate to say that these are not abnormal behaviours, nor are they anti-town, and he hopes that people will use them to get a good impression of him and forget what the real point was.
Isaac writes in an attempt to obfuscate the issue. The facts are plain and simple: in the span of two days, Isaac has deliberately voted to protect the mafia from lynching.
The first rule of being a ninja is "do no harm". Unless you intend to do harm, then do lots of harm.
~Master Splinter
Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
~Master Splinter
Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
RAFO Mafia 19: Superlative Crisis! ISSUE TWO: BLACK MAGIC- WHOA, MAN!
- 03/11/2010 04:59:59 AM
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I see two avenues to discuss here
- 03/11/2010 11:41:14 AM
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I was thinking about number 1.
- 03/11/2010 10:00:57 PM
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Regarding 2, and let me suggets a 3
- 04/11/2010 02:30:41 AM
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I, personally, agree with Isaac so here goes.
- 04/11/2010 11:33:07 PM
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O.......K..........
- 05/11/2010 11:43:14 PM
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Did Fist use his power last Night?
- 06/11/2010 03:41:05 AM
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It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
- 06/11/2010 04:53:19 AM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
- 06/11/2010 05:30:00 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
- 06/11/2010 07:15:11 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
- 07/11/2010 08:18:16 AM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
- 07/11/2010 03:38:37 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
- 07/11/2010 06:42:10 PM
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Huh, well Fox straight up told us his Mason group was a 3rd Fraction on Night 1
- 11/11/2010 12:55:50 AM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
- 07/11/2010 06:16:29 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
- 07/11/2010 07:16:20 PM
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Re: It's one of three plausible explanations for his death
- 07/11/2010 09:29:12 PM
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I am about 95% sure that WF targeted me last Night.
- 11/11/2010 01:04:34 AM
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Interesting.
- 11/11/2010 02:25:07 AM
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It's certainly possible.
- 11/11/2010 02:39:00 AM
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Now I'm curious
- 11/11/2010 03:33:46 AM
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Presumably because I'm not trying to get her lynched.
- 11/11/2010 03:53:54 AM
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Yeah, I'm going with that #3 there.
- 04/11/2010 05:41:04 AM
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Re: Yeah, I'm going with that #3 there.
- 04/11/2010 04:18:17 PM
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a scummer got caught on day one in the tower game
- 04/11/2010 06:42:15 PM
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also there was that time someone said they saw a black light instead of white
- 04/11/2010 07:52:41 PM
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That was Hobo in DK's crossover game. *NM*
- 04/11/2010 08:16:07 PM
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You know we could just forget about that. I wouldn't complain.
*NM*
- 05/11/2010 08:35:03 PM
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*NM*
- 05/11/2010 08:35:03 PM
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Hypocop? *NM*
- 03/11/2010 03:20:17 PM
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Hobo - Innocent + read this before you HC if you haven't already
- 04/11/2010 08:25:26 PM
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So help me I will spoil the entirety of ToM, people! (not just yet, though)
- 10/11/2010 02:51:46 AM
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I'm pretty sure if you do, you'll be lynched. *NM*
- 10/11/2010 09:19:43 PM
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Vote: No Lynch
- 13/11/2010 12:24:43 AM
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I am very much opposed to this idea
- 13/11/2010 02:04:27 PM
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Then offer an alternative
- 13/11/2010 11:10:42 PM
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Why is an inactive likely to be a townie?
- 14/11/2010 04:03:35 AM
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Re: Why is an inactive likely to be a townie?
- 14/11/2010 04:21:12 AM
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I had no RBIRL because my computer died.
- 14/11/2010 06:52:56 AM
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Ah, I see you did unvote. Very well. I still got my eye on you. *NM*
- 14/11/2010 06:55:30 AM
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LOL - I guess this is also my informal defense
- 14/11/2010 08:52:56 AM
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Saying it's not out-of-character to be scummy doesn't make you any less scummy.
- 14/11/2010 04:33:15 PM
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Watch the difference between what he says and what he is accused of.
- 14/11/2010 07:08:08 PM
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After this whole argument I've had with FT...
- 13/11/2010 11:42:32 PM
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People who vote for totally random lynches don't deserve to win
- 14/11/2010 03:43:14 AM
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Re: People who vote for totally random lynches don't deserve to win
- 14/11/2010 02:23:04 PM
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Vote: Isaac
- 13/11/2010 11:58:56 PM
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Re: Vote: Isaac
- 14/11/2010 03:02:15 AM
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Re: Vote: Isaac
- 14/11/2010 04:02:30 AM
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What was scummy?
- 14/11/2010 04:10:12 AM
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Re: What was scummy?
- 14/11/2010 05:41:44 AM
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Extrmely thin
- 14/11/2010 06:05:32 AM
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Actually...
- 14/11/2010 06:55:02 AM
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Re: Actually...
- 14/11/2010 07:44:33 AM
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Did you guys just blitz me?
- 14/11/2010 11:35:58 PM
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- 14/11/2010 11:35:58 PM
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Your not hammered yet are you?
- 14/11/2010 11:46:29 PM
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I think I might be, can never be sure what votes are worth in a heavy role game
- 14/11/2010 11:50:51 PM
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I'm potentially alive on a technicality
- 15/11/2010 12:02:36 AM
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Why don't you go ahead and claim then?
- 15/11/2010 12:11:03 AM
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Sure
- 15/11/2010 12:34:34 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
- 15/11/2010 02:13:23 AM
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I think so.
- 15/11/2010 01:25:46 AM
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Also, I must confess...
- 15/11/2010 01:32:44 AM
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Re: Also, I must confess...
- 15/11/2010 01:58:26 AM
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Yes, I would expect so.
- 15/11/2010 02:22:06 AM
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Re: Yes, I would expect so.
- 15/11/2010 02:35:49 AM
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I'm unvoting only if the defence is really foolproof, since now no-one can hammer without instantly
- 15/11/2010 07:18:05 AM
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EBWOP - The "only" in the title is rebundant, it was part of different title I abandoned. *NM*
- 15/11/2010 07:19:46 AM
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I guess the first title stands afterall I won't automatically unvote just because none should hammer
- 15/11/2010 08:19:00 AM
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I'll try to help Isaac out a bit here.
- 15/11/2010 01:11:11 PM
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Thanks, and a question too
- 15/11/2010 01:30:17 PM
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Well, I'll unvote if the third mason comes forward too. *NM*
- 15/11/2010 03:30:36 PM
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Jeez, when it rains, it pours
- 15/11/2010 10:34:54 PM
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OK Isaac
- 15/11/2010 11:14:45 PM
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My Defense Posts
- 16/11/2010 04:16:41 AM
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Defense A: The Fantastic Four
- 16/11/2010 04:31:11 AM
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Defense B: The Numbers Game
- 16/11/2010 04:36:59 AM
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"What motive would a scummer have"?
- 16/11/2010 05:56:04 PM
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Without any further questions though?
- 16/11/2010 11:51:42 PM
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If you see an avalanche coming, you hop on board (NOT a metaphor).
- 17/11/2010 12:12:31 AM
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Defense C: The Intro Flavor
- 16/11/2010 04:41:31 AM
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Eh ...
- 16/11/2010 10:00:21 PM
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Re: Eh ...
- 17/11/2010 02:33:27 AM
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We'll take a look at that in turn, but first...
- 16/11/2010 07:01:22 AM
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Re: We'll take a look at that in turn, but first...
- 16/11/2010 01:40:21 PM
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Yes, that was it.
- 16/11/2010 09:05:04 PM
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Re: Yes, that was it.
- 17/11/2010 02:55:58 AM
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Not at all.
- 17/11/2010 03:04:50 AM
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Well, that's a borderline lie
- 17/11/2010 04:29:47 AM
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How do you figure?
- 17/11/2010 05:46:37 AM
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I'd say its pretty pertinent to my defense
- 17/11/2010 06:49:20 AM
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All right, fair enough.
- 17/11/2010 07:19:37 AM
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Thanks for whakcing me before going to bed
- 17/11/2010 07:39:58 AM
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- 17/11/2010 07:39:58 AM
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By the way, I'd appreciate if no one had hammer till FT has a chance to reply and vice-versa
- 17/11/2010 07:46:18 AM
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I have evidence in favor of and yet against F-T's claim. Take it as you will.
- 17/11/2010 07:18:35 PM
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Slight EBWOP
- 17/11/2010 07:20:58 PM
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Re: Slight EBWOP
- 17/11/2010 07:24:34 PM
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Uh, that doesn't make a lot of sense
- 17/11/2010 07:22:59 PM
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That's fair. Sanity can actually be called into question now.
- 17/11/2010 07:26:34 PM
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Re: That's fair. Sanity can actually be called into question now.
- 17/11/2010 08:01:20 PM
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Actually that sounds a good plan
- 17/11/2010 08:06:50 PM
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Glad to hear you agree with yourself
- 17/11/2010 08:14:42 PM
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- 17/11/2010 08:14:42 PM
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:/ Wanna mention this before I forget. Little niggling that's been bugging me.
- 17/11/2010 03:03:27 AM
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Ah yes, I noticed that as well
- 17/11/2010 04:08:15 AM
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I just caught that
- 17/11/2010 04:53:16 AM
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No, I don't mean Cop.
- 17/11/2010 05:29:36 AM
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Re: No, I don't mean Cop.
- 17/11/2010 05:34:46 AM
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I trust him because of the way he's been acting.
- 17/11/2010 06:30:26 PM
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Complete sidetrack.
- 17/11/2010 07:28:31 PM
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Re: Complete sidetrack.
- 17/11/2010 07:33:51 PM
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I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
- 17/11/2010 05:38:53 AM
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Re: I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
- 17/11/2010 06:04:08 AM
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Re: I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
- 17/11/2010 06:25:05 AM
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Re: I can't seem to find the post about that arrangement we had, incidentally.
- 17/11/2010 06:50:04 AM
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In the interests of honesty, now would probably be a good time to mention ...
- 17/11/2010 09:22:14 PM
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What the balls?
- 17/11/2010 09:52:04 PM
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I still only see one way for this day to end
- 18/11/2010 02:02:03 PM
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Re: I still only see one way for this day to end
- 18/11/2010 03:18:50 PM
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Its probably the blind mason loyalty thing, but I'm inclined to trust Isaac.
- 18/11/2010 05:16:28 PM
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Re: Its probably the blind mason loyalty thing, but I'm inclined to trust Isaac.
- 18/11/2010 06:00:06 PM
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I'd also like to point out that we know nothing about you
- 18/11/2010 03:37:08 PM
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i don't know much about comics but
- 18/11/2010 05:45:10 PM
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Re: i don't know much about comics but
- 18/11/2010 05:49:54 PM
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They're also Marvel characters
- 18/11/2010 06:30:11 PM
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LOL, duly noted
- 18/11/2010 06:48:08 PM
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- 18/11/2010 06:48:08 PM
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Beast is really surprisingly un-beastly.
- 18/11/2010 06:28:15 PM
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Sure
- 18/11/2010 06:42:01 PM
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Alright, to hell with this. Let's test F-T's sanity. Vote: Isaac *NM*
- 21/11/2010 08:29:53 PM
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Ah, the frustration vote, normally my best friend
- 21/11/2010 09:58:18 PM
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- 21/11/2010 09:58:18 PM
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OK, here's a question for beet:
- 21/11/2010 10:37:08 PM
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You're not suggesting we lynch F-T instead of Isaac, are you?
- 21/11/2010 11:17:19 PM
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But we do get information
- 22/11/2010 12:17:20 AM
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<-- Btw, first time I got the hammer vote. My life is now complete. *NM*
- 22/11/2010 12:20:53 AM
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Well, congrats
*NM*
- 22/11/2010 12:32:34 AM
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*NM*
- 22/11/2010 12:32:34 AM
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Since this is a first for both of us...
- 22/11/2010 12:35:29 AM
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- 22/11/2010 12:35:29 AM
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When someone dies, you find out their role. "Psycho Cop" is a distinct role.
- 21/11/2010 11:22:50 PM
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Isaac wonders how he could be lynched without scum involvement...
- 22/11/2010 12:00:31 AM
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Re: Isaac wonders how he could be lynched without scum involvement...
- 22/11/2010 12:21:01 AM
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Isaac has been lynched!
- 22/11/2010 03:10:01 AM
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I can't help but feel a silver bullet would have been appropriate
- 22/11/2010 04:11:13 AM
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- 22/11/2010 04:11:13 AM
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I find that astounding, considering the level of suspicion generally laid upon you *NM*
- 22/11/2010 04:16:04 AM
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I might just mount your head on my wall
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- 22/11/2010 05:09:45 AM
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- 22/11/2010 05:09:45 AM
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I consider myself an integral part in this group.
- 22/11/2010 05:27:12 AM
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