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Didn't you concur earlier that my behavior as scum and town is more or less invariant? Isaac Send a noteboard - 21/08/2012 09:20:38 PM
and like right here too?

I'm not saying it was a BAD plan- you generally try to stay as pro-town as possible, I've noticed- but it was complex, and would do very well in tracking everyone's intentions.

More to the point, look at how Isaac has acted in the last couple of days. Reducing my entire argument to "Oh, beet wants us to lynch on a hunch" is a classic move.


It is a classic move, it's called 'My opponent's arguments are moonbeams and cobwebs, I refuse to roll over and die because he's got a 'hunch'" It's classic, but it's classic normal defense, town or scum.

Here is what happened: Isaac actually did have stuff going on in real life (he rarely lies unless he has to). This meant that he wasn't going to be taking charge on the first day, and would be willing to vote for whoever.


I don't lie about RL stuff period, I consider that out-of-game and while it would probably surprise everyone here I'm something of a byword for blunt honesty in RL. I'm pretty RBIRL, and will be busier than normal till the elections are over with and being in a swing state that might be longer than Tuesday Nov 6. There's nothing scummy about that, but its not just being busy, I've been trying to be more hands off in recent games, I've said as much before.

When the game hit a plateau, he tried to create a system that would give the scum very good plausible deniability (the whole "everyone gets 3 votes" thing).


That is kinda true, irrelevant now, but I never really cared about who people would accuse beyond an off hope someone would come up with a case, I wanted to see who people didn't accuse or who they accused deliberately weakly. That had, in my mind, about a 50/50 chance of nailing us a target, with a fall back of being able to at least limit our damage on a possible lynch to non-aggressive townies or scum. It didn't give the scum plausible deniability though, I certainly hope it appeared to, good to know it apparently did. There's the plan by the way, we'd have had the list of who they were willing to accuse, or of who they wanted it to seem they were, and during the wrangling it would have been easier to note who dropped cases most casually, who pushed harder, etc... e.g., evidence, data, something to go off of.

Things progressed as normal, with no real candidate coming into focus, until I accused him. He then seized on this, whereas if he was town he'd be more likely to have the attitude of "beet is well-intentioned but misguided."


I gave you that chance repeatedly, I flagged my vote as an OMGUS, you declined to really defend or pursue it, I asked you to withdraw it, you elected not to, so I plan to see you lynched. It really has nothing to do with my alignment, you should know that. Aggressive defense is what a player should do, in all cases and roles, hence I will do it regardless of my own alignment.

I realize the "I wouldn't do this if I was scum" argument can be suspect, but it's not in this case. Isaac uses the example of minor tactical mistakes, but this has been pretty much my entire talking point for my last dozen posts. If I was a scum, I would have backed off long ago.


Why? You keep saying that but notice how no one is nodding their head in agreement. It's not selling, frankly it sounds more like you are scum, realized you'd over-played your hand and are now screwed, and you're thinking "Why didn't I aim elsewhere?".

I mean honestly, your whole initial series of arguments has a flavor of being rehearsed in your head as a scummer. It was like a litany of reasons I might be viewed, as a player rather than by alignment, as a killable target. I'm 'cocky', you say, and 'overconfident', and I 'muddy the waters', arguments that to me sound like someone coming up with arguments starting from the POV of wanting me personally dead, rather than in-game evidence of being a darksider.

So your whole argument, minus hunches, minus out-game behavior, is that having been confronted with a plateau I waded in with a minor modification to the existing plan that gave it some teeth and also had a decent chance of netting us a fish.

Again, honestly, I'd be going after you right now regardless, just on OMGUS and what I see as anti-game behavior, but I really do get a sniff of something out of place and I think you're going to be lynched as soon as Rana returns or Yuna or ? decide to flip votes.

Here's another reason why... you're at L-1... no voluntary character or roleclaim... why is that? Almost every townie RC's at L-1 territory without prodding. Scum rarely do without being asked for it.
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Re: Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 15/08/2012 06:29:30 PM 1435 Views
See above isn't acceptable? - 15/08/2012 10:17:36 PM 1568 Views
I have no such agreement, I'll point out - 15/08/2012 03:45:39 PM 1500 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis - 15/08/2012 05:16:10 PM 1583 Views
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A hunch sufficient to cast a vote for? - 15/08/2012 08:57:01 PM 1659 Views
...bloody-mindedness? - 16/08/2012 01:29:40 AM 1586 Views
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Ranagrande got the serial killer on Day 1 last game, that kill is all his - 16/08/2012 05:06:13 AM 1608 Views
Re: Ranagrande got the serial killer on Day 1 last game, that kill is all his - 16/08/2012 05:51:02 AM 1555 Views
Re: Ranagrande got the serial killer on Day 1 last game, that kill is all his - 16/08/2012 11:53:49 AM 1700 Views
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I did forget about rana's awesome code-breaking, that's on me - 16/08/2012 04:14:35 PM 1549 Views
Yet the demonstration of a flaw in your hunch-record doens't result in an unvote? *NM* - 17/08/2012 11:28:33 PM 1112 Views
Nope. - 20/08/2012 04:01:52 PM 1470 Views
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Summary of proposed targets - 16/08/2012 02:43:41 AM 1608 Views
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Re: Thanks for the summary - 16/08/2012 04:25:25 PM 1563 Views
Re: Thanks for the summary - 17/08/2012 12:39:02 PM 1592 Views
Re: Summary of proposed targets - 19/08/2012 10:31:17 PM 1578 Views
RBIRL again. Sorry. - 16/08/2012 06:06:52 PM 1509 Views
What college does he go to? *NM* - 16/08/2012 06:14:36 PM 812 Views
Cornell *NM* - 19/08/2012 10:31:44 PM 860 Views
how is he? - 16/08/2012 09:43:49 PM 1480 Views
He's doing very well for himself! *NM* - 19/08/2012 10:32:14 PM 889 Views
If posting doesn't become significantly more active by monday evening, I will institute a time limit - 18/08/2012 08:45:35 PM 1556 Views
What are we tracking as the current vote count anyway? - 19/08/2012 03:44:28 AM 1644 Views
Re: What are we tracking as the current vote count anyway? - 19/08/2012 11:17:48 AM 1499 Views
I unvoted from Yunalesca a while back. - 19/08/2012 05:09:30 PM 1619 Views
I can't believe you missed that in the first post. - 19/08/2012 11:45:42 AM 1582 Views
I usually ride in on an email link *NM* - 19/08/2012 04:00:25 PM 903 Views
eh, i'll vote where my mouth is. Vote: Fanatic-Templar *NM* - 19/08/2012 10:49:35 PM 863 Views
Well, I gues that's SOMETHING - 20/08/2012 10:51:36 AM 1649 Views
Then I'll join the vote against Beetnemesis. - 20/08/2012 05:00:16 PM 1587 Views
I think you should reconsider - 21/08/2012 05:18:30 AM 1595 Views
Re: I think you should reconsider - 21/08/2012 05:40:52 AM 1572 Views
Well, there isn't much of a case against anyone, this is Day 1 after all. - 21/08/2012 06:47:18 AM 1626 Views
My case isn't that I have a "hunch," it's that Isaac is acting the way he would if he was scum! - 21/08/2012 08:39:11 PM 1955 Views
Didn't you concur earlier that my behavior as scum and town is more or less invariant? - 21/08/2012 09:20:38 PM 1711 Views
Well, just because no one agrees with me doesn't mean I don't believe it. - 22/08/2012 05:24:52 PM 1553 Views
By the way, that was well put - 21/08/2012 09:24:50 PM 1703 Views
Re: Well, I gues that's SOMETHING - 20/08/2012 05:21:21 PM 1647 Views
What was the argument against FT, again? - 20/08/2012 04:07:26 PM 1517 Views
I wanted to lynch Yunalesca for inactivity, and this was unkind. *NM* - 20/08/2012 05:01:18 PM 888 Views
That wasn't the case in its entire... - 20/08/2012 05:22:26 PM 1566 Views
Obviously you are a demon *NM* - 21/08/2012 05:14:12 AM 947 Views
That goes without saying. But we're supposed to lynch mafia, not demons. *NM* - 21/08/2012 06:25:31 AM 888 Views
I have returned! - 22/08/2012 01:35:32 AM 1469 Views
Roleclaim: Fantasio, (Spirou's best friend) - 22/08/2012 05:32:16 PM 1618 Views
Re: Roleclaim: Fantasio, (Spirou's best friend) - 22/08/2012 06:17:04 PM 1625 Views
You are a modern day Atticus Finch *NM* - 22/08/2012 08:21:28 PM 906 Views
So true *NM* - 22/08/2012 10:37:23 PM 898 Views
Unvote - 22/08/2012 11:16:02 PM 1618 Views
See, I've got a slight problem with that - 23/08/2012 07:52:11 AM 1638 Views
Hm I have no such sentence... - 23/08/2012 12:36:58 PM 1645 Views
I don't either but I can somewhat confirm that, also Beet lied, clearly and totally - 23/08/2012 05:18:41 PM 1640 Views
This is all true... *NM* - 23/08/2012 06:13:55 PM 953 Views
Good characters being good is far more reasonable than the opposite. - 24/08/2012 04:23:16 AM 1642 Views
6/7 or 5/7 games with named characters it was a horrible gauge - 24/08/2012 05:20:23 AM 1751 Views
I still say those previous games are irrelevant. Here's why: - 24/08/2012 05:32:55 AM 1635 Views
I can't agree here Dan - 24/08/2012 05:51:53 AM 1766 Views
(it's nothing personal) - 24/08/2012 03:29:00 PM 1600 Views
Quickly going over those you provided... - 24/08/2012 07:33:01 AM 1557 Views
my anime game - 25/08/2012 02:21:57 PM 1618 Views
What? - 23/08/2012 03:43:24 PM 1625 Views
And that's pretty unbelievable too - 23/08/2012 07:07:35 PM 1509 Views
This whole answer sounds to me... - 23/08/2012 07:17:34 PM 1481 Views
So, you think I am an evil version of Fantasio? *NM* - 24/08/2012 12:31:14 AM 924 Views
I have NEVER claimed "secret intel," and I haven't claimed a role, either - 24/08/2012 12:30:08 AM 1650 Views
How curious. - 23/08/2012 04:35:48 PM 1591 Views
Okay. - 23/08/2012 06:13:37 PM 1564 Views
Re: Okay. - 24/08/2012 04:23:18 AM 1586 Views
I'm as certain as I can be, given the circumstances. - 23/08/2012 07:14:33 PM 1616 Views
Vote: beetnemesis *NM* - 23/08/2012 08:10:38 PM 908 Views
Vote: beetnemesis - 23/08/2012 08:30:33 PM 1676 Views
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I don't trust Artsapat at all... - 24/08/2012 03:00:02 AM 1666 Views
o...k, i have food poisoning and come back to this? - 24/08/2012 12:58:49 AM 1501 Views
Because I character claimed as Fantasio, which means I am evil Fantasio - 24/08/2012 01:03:06 AM 1738 Views
Interesting way of putting it... - 24/08/2012 03:02:39 AM 1587 Views
Re: Interesting way of putting it... - 24/08/2012 05:45:59 AM 1759 Views
Re: Interesting way of putting it... - 24/08/2012 06:03:02 AM 1541 Views
Re: Interesting way of putting it... - 24/08/2012 07:07:29 AM 1650 Views
Re: Interesting way of putting it... - 24/08/2012 07:38:22 AM 1625 Views
Re: Interesting way of putting it... - 24/08/2012 08:14:39 AM 1684 Views
Oh yeah he should be dead shouldn't he? *NM* - 24/08/2012 11:31:59 AM 973 Views
Probably post-hammer so... - 24/08/2012 05:58:04 AM 1886 Views
No problem with that. *NM* - 24/08/2012 01:02:56 PM 932 Views
Wait so what exactly do you want us to do? - 24/08/2012 09:19:12 PM 1720 Views
Any reasonable compact account - 24/08/2012 10:39:31 PM 1573 Views
...Well memory really isn't my thing... *NM* - 25/08/2012 03:51:10 AM 940 Views
My memory is awful, besides you write well - 25/08/2012 04:12:02 AM 1571 Views
Hmm trying to flatter me into doing the work eh? *NM* - 25/08/2012 07:05:08 PM 843 Views
If it works *NM* - 25/08/2012 07:48:12 PM 912 Views
...It might. - 25/08/2012 09:27:59 PM 1698 Views
Augh! I got nothing... - 26/08/2012 02:43:37 AM 1663 Views
What about your first game or your first Mod? - 27/08/2012 01:32:47 AM 1575 Views
I only remember the basis of my first game... - 27/08/2012 01:50:48 AM 1561 Views
That'll do Now who to guilt trip? *NM* - 27/08/2012 02:29:16 AM 871 Views
I totally remember that. Napoleon, right? You guys kept accidentally posting as one another. *NM* - 25/08/2012 12:31:05 AM 878 Views
Haha yeah that's him... - 25/08/2012 03:50:38 AM 1602 Views
I do... That was annoying. *NM* - 25/08/2012 08:49:45 AM 843 Views
Sorry. *NM* - 25/08/2012 07:06:07 PM 911 Views
Just kidding - 26/08/2012 10:15:19 AM 1498 Views
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