If WF is a DF, and really I can't see why he'd claim Df if he were SK or arsonist since he'd have no ally to try to protect and he'd be revealed on lynch anyway, if he's a DF, then ranagrande is clean, and to a lesser extent that covers me and kronin too.

Why? If we have an arsonist, that's a solo role, meaning Bergioyn. Meaning all remaining tank-f are DFs and white flame's allies. Bussing being fairly reasonable, I still think it's really pushing the bubble to assume one of his allies would decide to be the one to call him out on that, and turn around was pretty fast. ranagrande hit him, and I hit him simultaneously without seeing ranagrandes post, and Kronin slipped in a confirmation on ranagrande's comment way too fast for me to believe he's on WF's side and bussed that quick.

Also, I for one would guess there's a good chance WF and Bergioyn are on the same side. I commented above that I was sure I'd mentioned Bergioyn being rather absent from suspect from inactivity, I checked that, and it was my reply to WF. He had singled out fist and ranagrande as suspcious for inactivity, but not mentioned Bergioyn, hmm... I wonder why?

What else? It was WF that suggested we claim first as vanilla or role only, it was Bergioyn alone who applied that. Other signs of alliance, try this:

I'd have to agree
White Flame of Tar Valon Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 08:43:26 PM
I don't see Bergoiyn's claim to be false, cuz really, who says "Huh. Oh boy oh". sounds strange to say, yet it spells Hobo's name so I believe that you are a mason. I'm just worried about the possibility of you being a DF as well. You haven't really done anything to be flat out accused of it, but I just have bad feelings of the mason pairs, especially after Isaac was able to convince everyone that there wasn't any possibility of a mole in the mason group when he was the mole. Oh, how that frustrated me

Wow, belief on that alone, amazing. Again, his first post back after extended RBIRL, WF points fingers at you for your aggression, then fist and ranagrande for inactivity while leaving out the most obviously inactive player. PRetty suspicious, and coming from a DF. Now ranagrande might be black, he could be our arsonist or SK, but he's not allied to WF or bergioyn, so that one only happens if those two are buddy DFs.

Bergioyn's not an arsonist, no way, and Kronin's no firefighter. He's an RBer, he wanted WF dead first and points out he can stop Bergioyn... huh, how he gonna do that? He gonna know who Bergioyn's targeting?

Let's NOT kill Bergioyn.
Kronin al'Sulc Send a noteboard - 16/03/2010 02:59:17 AM
One note I forgot to mention in my message. As the Firefighter, if I target the Arsonist (pretty clearly Bergioyn), we both become Vanilla Townies. Let's kill WF, unless he wants to out his partners (doubt it), and I'll target Bergioyn tonight. Unless, of course, Skynet has an RB.

Utter BS. He's the RBer and he knows bergioyn is some sort of NKer and he knows he can RB him, the firefighter:

Every night, the firefighter chooses someone to protect, like a doctor. However, the firefighter can only protect people from the arsonist. If the arsonist is killed, the Firefighter becomes an ordinary townie.

So there's the inspiration for that necessary fiction to off WF first when we might otherwise have spared him today to give a better shot at offing the SK, who in doing so would say 'SK' in death and leave Kronin rather screwed on his RC. He figures he can block bergioyn, probably assumed he was the SK after WF's botch and DF claim, as he may well be.

Think this through. Your Kronin, and your role says 'RBer', right out the door you know your claim is practically a death warrant. You sure as heck ain't gonna claim RBer without some arm twisting. Now, all of day 2 everything is pointing at beet, piece after piece, and Kronin was one of the strongest supporters of beet lynching, so when he claims back up RBer you think 'Not too likely, probably inspired by the backup cop role, and the RBer they probably have' and you're not going to expose yourself for lynching with him, because when he dies a DF, you're dead for claiming real RBer. And if you say, yep, I'm the RBer, you know we'll kill beet anyway, and we probably would have, and now you're dead if he's lying and you're probably gonna swallow a NK anyway as a threat in the eyes of one of the tank factions. When he dies innocent, you definitely aren't claim RBer after that. Maybe while the table is going on you're waiting for his ally, who you think exists, to come claim RB themselves, and when they don't, too late now. Heck, evne though it was very late when I posted my KRonin=RBer concept the view counter on it ticked up to 7 fairly wquickly, Kronin's a bit of a night owl and ironically when he unvoted at my request he mentioned he would be staying up late, tonight's rather action packed, think he'd have replied, probably couldn't decide whether to fess up or not, IMO. Quite the coincidence that with 7 views and only 7 players who can hit the view counter - I can't, the site doesn't count clicking on your own posts as views - that no one replied to it, don't ya think?