So to sum up:
1. WF is definitely a DF
2. Bergoiyn is probably also a Tank-f.
They are probably not affiliated. I know that Kronin (I think?) and Isaac have been speculating on the possibility of the two of them are teammates. To be honest, I don't see this. Granted, the back-up vigilante role is pretty sketch to begin with, but I don't think we'd be nearly so critical of Bergioyn if WF hadn't spoken up about killing Napoleon on Night 1. Why would he do that if he and Bergioyn were teammates? He might be trying to pull a WIFOM thing-y ala "he's being accused by a DF, so he must be innocent," but that's really stretching it, I think. WF's accusations have done far more to condemn Bergioyn than vindicate him. I think it's likely WF is trying to help his remaining scum buddies hunt out the other Tank-f and he thinks Bergoiyn is a prime suspect.
So which are we going to Lynch? If Bergoiyn is an SK, then lynching him Today will remove one of the NKs, which would be GREAT. But on the other hand, I hate hate hate HATE the idea of leaving a confirmed DF alive overnight, so I really want to lynch White Flame. But we know he has a team - even if we kill him, his fraction is going to get a NK in. Unless they're roleblocked ... Which leads us to the second question, which is that if Bergoiyn is the SK, we can just RB him tonight (if we have a RBer) and eliminate his potential NK that way. And then then the Cop (if THEY exist, and I find it likely they do. In the light of day [and what a beautiful day it is!!! I love spring
], the "Gher is a Jerk" hypothesis is appearing much less likely
) can investigate him and conclusively prove whether he's lying or not. So that's an idea.
As for all this murkiness about the Cop and the RBer ... it's a bit irritating, but perhaps it's best if they remain hidden for now. Isaac makes a convincing argument for their existence, and like I said before, the explanations he's offered make more sense than ones that involve Gher deliberately trying to mess with us. Anyway, my main concerns about mass claiming Today were more or less that the Cop would be exposed to NK and wouldn't be able to get another investigation in, and all this ambiguity over the issue serves that purpose in at least some effect. So maybe we should just let a sleeping dog lie.
So to sum: I think we should Lynch White Flame Today sooner rather than later, and save Bergoiyn for tomorrow. If we're lucky the other Tank-f might even take him out. I also think that we should just leave the hidden Cop and RBer go for now to maybe help the Town out a bit.
What do you guys think?
1. WF is definitely a DF
2. Bergoiyn is probably also a Tank-f.
They are probably not affiliated. I know that Kronin (I think?) and Isaac have been speculating on the possibility of the two of them are teammates. To be honest, I don't see this. Granted, the back-up vigilante role is pretty sketch to begin with, but I don't think we'd be nearly so critical of Bergioyn if WF hadn't spoken up about killing Napoleon on Night 1. Why would he do that if he and Bergioyn were teammates? He might be trying to pull a WIFOM thing-y ala "he's being accused by a DF, so he must be innocent," but that's really stretching it, I think. WF's accusations have done far more to condemn Bergioyn than vindicate him. I think it's likely WF is trying to help his remaining scum buddies hunt out the other Tank-f and he thinks Bergoiyn is a prime suspect.
So which are we going to Lynch? If Bergoiyn is an SK, then lynching him Today will remove one of the NKs, which would be GREAT. But on the other hand, I hate hate hate HATE the idea of leaving a confirmed DF alive overnight, so I really want to lynch White Flame. But we know he has a team - even if we kill him, his fraction is going to get a NK in. Unless they're roleblocked ... Which leads us to the second question, which is that if Bergoiyn is the SK, we can just RB him tonight (if we have a RBer) and eliminate his potential NK that way. And then then the Cop (if THEY exist, and I find it likely they do. In the light of day [and what a beautiful day it is!!! I love spring
], the "Gher is a Jerk" hypothesis is appearing much less likely
) can investigate him and conclusively prove whether he's lying or not. So that's an idea. As for all this murkiness about the Cop and the RBer ... it's a bit irritating, but perhaps it's best if they remain hidden for now. Isaac makes a convincing argument for their existence, and like I said before, the explanations he's offered make more sense than ones that involve Gher deliberately trying to mess with us. Anyway, my main concerns about mass claiming Today were more or less that the Cop would be exposed to NK and wouldn't be able to get another investigation in, and all this ambiguity over the issue serves that purpose in at least some effect. So maybe we should just let a sleeping dog lie.
So to sum: I think we should Lynch White Flame Today sooner rather than later, and save Bergoiyn for tomorrow. If we're lucky the other Tank-f might even take him out. I also think that we should just leave the hidden Cop and RBer go for now to maybe help the Town out a bit.
What do you guys think?
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Rafo Mafia 4 Day 3 has ended
- 08/03/2010 06:20:26 PM
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Okay, so it seems pretty clear that we have a third-party
- 08/03/2010 08:31:17 PM
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Man, I'm saddled with that job forever, aren't I?
- 08/03/2010 09:58:50 PM
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Whoops, kinda forgot Hobo died.
- 09/03/2010 01:22:27 AM
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- 09/03/2010 01:22:27 AM
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That's just bad manners, tsk tsk, you kill him, then you forget him, eh?
*NM*
- 09/03/2010 01:27:38 AM
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*NM*
- 09/03/2010 01:27:38 AM
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What's that now? Kronin killed Hobo?
- 09/03/2010 03:18:54 AM
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- 09/03/2010 03:18:54 AM
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Yes, I have incontrovertible proof that Kronin killed Hobo with a Candlestick in the Conservatory
- 09/03/2010 03:34:51 AM
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- 09/03/2010 03:34:51 AM
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Let's discuss our new info
- 09/03/2010 01:26:40 AM
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I don't really see how we're going to be able to come to a quick decision.
- 09/03/2010 06:19:11 AM
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Vote Record (Table)
- 09/03/2010 05:50:26 AM
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The Vote Record makes Fox seem very suspicious.
- 09/03/2010 12:20:23 PM
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I suppose so
- 09/03/2010 06:56:02 PM
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Good point.
- 09/03/2010 07:32:56 PM
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Re: Good point.
- 09/03/2010 08:15:32 PM
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Re: Hobo
- 12/03/2010 04:52:47 AM
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Pulling a Gher?
- 12/03/2010 05:20:27 AM
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There were like three times in a row that Gher tried to hammer
- 12/03/2010 01:27:31 PM
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I'm sorry. RBIRL
- 10/03/2010 07:57:15 AM
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*Taps on the glass*
- 11/03/2010 11:23:35 PM
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I'm thinking the same thing... *NM*
- 11/03/2010 11:36:39 PM
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Well, I was going to wait for our last Hypocop, but...
- 12/03/2010 01:24:32 AM
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Have I really?
- 12/03/2010 02:53:33 AM
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EBWOP
- 12/03/2010 02:55:16 AM
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Re: EBWOP
- 12/03/2010 03:47:04 AM
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Re: EBWOP
- 12/03/2010 04:04:40 AM
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Obvious how so? *NM*
- 12/03/2010 04:17:55 AM
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Well, something like what I did yesterday with the trap.
- 12/03/2010 04:30:47 AM
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A cop might do something like that.
- 12/03/2010 04:56:42 AM
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I'm just saying that I think anyone with a role or a bad guy would have been a little more...
- 12/03/2010 05:27:05 AM
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Re: I'm just saying that I think anyone with a role or a bad guy would have been a little more...
- 12/03/2010 01:23:29 PM
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Re: I'm just saying that I think anyone with a role or a bad guy would have been a little more...
- 12/03/2010 05:49:05 PM
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Hrm...
- 12/03/2010 08:05:29 PM
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Well, a DF working alone would just be a Serial Killer.
- 12/03/2010 08:19:02 PM
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well of course there are vanillas
- 13/03/2010 12:36:10 AM
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You all may have noticed...
- 14/03/2010 12:01:11 AM
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Re: You all may have noticed...
- 14/03/2010 01:49:24 AM
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On F-T....
- 14/03/2010 03:26:04 AM
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Re: On F-T....
- 14/03/2010 04:01:09 AM
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I'm just trying to point out any suspicions.
- 14/03/2010 04:07:09 AM
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Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions.
- 14/03/2010 04:27:54 AM
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Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions.
- 14/03/2010 01:32:16 PM
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Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions.
- 14/03/2010 02:24:03 PM
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Re: I'm just trying to point out any suspicions.
- 14/03/2010 02:25:20 PM
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I like Tank-f
- 15/03/2010 08:29:39 PM
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Eh, tank factions sounds better I think.
- 15/03/2010 08:33:38 PM
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Re: Eh, tank factions sounds better I think.
- 15/03/2010 08:35:42 PM
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Back
- 14/03/2010 12:07:58 PM
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On the subject of inactivity...
- 14/03/2010 01:31:40 PM
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I use my browser's 'Find' function
- 15/03/2010 03:54:48 PM
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The site's 'search' function is faster, but a bit limited
- 15/03/2010 05:43:11 PM
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Eh, for a quick look at how the Day's going, 'Find' works well.
- 15/03/2010 08:18:40 PM
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Re: Eh, for a quick look at how the Day's going, 'Find' works well.
- 15/03/2010 08:28:07 PM
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Are we sure we don't want a mass role-claim?
- 14/03/2010 11:55:02 PM
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Well, it's probably going to come to that before the end of the day
- 15/03/2010 12:29:59 AM
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So, are you saying I should RC next since fist already did? *NM*
- 15/03/2010 03:05:45 PM
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Personally I think he jumped the gun.
- 15/03/2010 03:11:35 PM
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He was a little quick on this one
- 15/03/2010 07:04:53 PM
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I kind of like this idea.
- 15/03/2010 08:28:05 PM
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Re: I kind of like this idea.
- 15/03/2010 08:36:09 PM
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I agree Ranagrande should claim next.
- 15/03/2010 08:45:14 PM
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Basically, he did jump the gun there but...
- 15/03/2010 05:44:56 PM
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Ok. I'm a Mason.
- 15/03/2010 07:44:45 PM
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Whoops! Wrong link!
- 15/03/2010 07:46:15 PM
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I completely believe you.
- 15/03/2010 08:08:04 PM
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Seems pretty trustworthy to me too.
- 15/03/2010 08:21:30 PM
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Re: Seems pretty trustworthy to me too.
- 15/03/2010 08:31:08 PM
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I'd have to agree
- 15/03/2010 08:43:26 PM
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Re: I'd have to agree
- 15/03/2010 09:21:42 PM
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Re: Ok. I'm a Mason.
- 15/03/2010 08:03:11 PM
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Re: Ok. I'm a Mason.
- 15/03/2010 09:27:21 PM
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Re: Ok. I'm a Mason.
- 15/03/2010 09:48:45 PM
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Re: Ok. I'm a Mason.
- 15/03/2010 09:58:37 PM
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We have a vigilante? God, he must suck.
- 15/03/2010 10:13:33 PM
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Re: We have a vigilante? God, he must suck.
- 15/03/2010 10:16:58 PM
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You know?
- 15/03/2010 10:20:10 PM
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Lol I saw the youtube address and thought you were trying to Rickroll us.
*NM*
- 15/03/2010 08:32:01 PM
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*NM*
- 15/03/2010 08:32:01 PM
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It's link to a video of finnish comedian, I linked it to my friend I was having chat with
- 15/03/2010 09:30:15 PM
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My role-claim, and a few other thoughts
- 15/03/2010 10:57:55 PM
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Re: My role-claim, and a few other thoughts
- 16/03/2010 01:53:01 AM
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LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc
- 16/03/2010 02:24:19 AM
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Re: LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc
- 16/03/2010 02:32:30 AM
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Re: LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc
- 16/03/2010 02:39:44 AM
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Re: LOL, lasty I checked Napoleon was our doc
- 16/03/2010 02:54:04 AM
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Let's NOT kill Bergioyn.
- 16/03/2010 02:59:17 AM
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Re: Let's NOT kill Bergioyn.
- 16/03/2010 03:08:10 AM
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I am not making an incorrect reference.
- 16/03/2010 03:12:02 AM
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Good
- 16/03/2010 03:20:23 AM
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EBWOP
- 16/03/2010 03:21:08 AM
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Another thing
- 16/03/2010 03:25:34 AM
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I'm not Arsonist, so there shouldn't be any neutralization message.
- 16/03/2010 07:01:10 AM
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Something is wrong here
- 16/03/2010 03:22:47 AM
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Oh, and Isaac
- 15/03/2010 08:38:08 PM
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Re: Oh, and Isaac
- 15/03/2010 11:22:21 PM
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LOL, there was like this massive bomb of posts and now... silence
- 16/03/2010 12:55:34 AM
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Well for starters I decided maybe I ought to work on my project that's due tomorrow.
- 16/03/2010 02:01:11 AM
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- 16/03/2010 02:01:11 AM
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Okay, here ya are
- 15/03/2010 11:58:14 PM
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Re: Okay, here ya are
- 16/03/2010 07:12:31 AM
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Re: Okay, here ya are
- 16/03/2010 08:01:24 AM
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Wait, what?
- 16/03/2010 08:11:54 AM
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Re: Wait, what?
- 16/03/2010 05:00:39 PM
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Role Claims (Table)
- 15/03/2010 10:15:59 PM
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Re: Role Claims (Table) *NM*
- 15/03/2010 10:16:14 PM
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Whoops, replied instead of editing. *NM*
- 15/03/2010 10:16:29 PM
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You forgot mine. I calimed VT first, after all.
*NM*
- 15/03/2010 10:26:27 PM
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*NM*
- 15/03/2010 10:26:27 PM
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Okay, White Flame has claimed, and it seems decently legit.
- 16/03/2010 02:09:50 AM
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So many RC's, well mine...
- 16/03/2010 02:29:01 AM
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Now this is an interesting place we have reached, isn't it?
- 16/03/2010 03:25:19 AM
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Re: Now this is an interesting place we have reached, isn't it?
- 16/03/2010 03:31:27 AM
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Well, we should have a RoleBlocker too.
- 16/03/2010 03:40:33 AM
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Re: Well, we should have a RoleBlocker too.
- 16/03/2010 04:01:54 AM
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Vote Count
- 16/03/2010 03:46:08 AM
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Re: Vote Count
- 16/03/2010 03:51:48 AM
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Ahh, that's right.
- 16/03/2010 03:54:56 AM
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Isaac had voted too, but he unvoted since then. *NM*
- 16/03/2010 04:01:47 AM
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HOLY CRAP!
- 16/03/2010 05:39:37 AM
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Re: HOLY CRAP!
- 16/03/2010 01:19:02 PM
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Re: HOLY CRAP!
- 16/03/2010 04:13:50 PM
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I must concur
- 16/03/2010 05:24:17 PM
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Alright ... what are we going to do?
- 16/03/2010 09:11:06 PM
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Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon
- 16/03/2010 11:03:30 PM
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Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon
- 16/03/2010 11:05:48 PM
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Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon
- 17/03/2010 12:32:40 AM
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Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon
- 17/03/2010 12:38:28 AM
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