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Indeed Camilla Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM
Well.

We were right in a way that the Pandorica was made to hold the Doctor. It looks like Rory isn't actually alive, but is a construction made from Amy's memory. When Rory first spoke about waking up with Roman memories, I thought it was the other way around -- that Amy had stolen him from the past because she loved Roman history, and that being a Roman was his true life that he woke up to after dying in Amy's life.


You think too much :P
But I also note that hope now is what is left in the box. So it fits with the myth.

And it is strange how the words describing what is in the box (goblin, trickster, warrior, soaked in the blood of.... most feared being &c) fits so well when you see the Doctor from the perspective of his enemies. "Nothing could stop it or hold it or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world". So true. No wonder they finally had enough.

Instead, it was the Alliance of Big Bads using Amy's memories to construct a trap for the Doctor. I wonder if that's all it is.


I want there to be more. Which seems a little unfair, because if this were Davies that would have been the point in the finale. But this is Moffat and my expectations are high.

There's still Jacket Doctor. There's still the need to remember. The Doctor said it right out loud in this episode -- if something is remembered, it can come back. That's what the duck pond meant, like I said. But I don't know how that will play out, or if it will mean anything, or if Amy can still bring the real Rory back now that she's remembering him, because she can't be dead just yet.


I am a little intrigued as to how he could come back. He isn't only absorbed, after all, he is also dead. Would he just materialise out of one of the cracks?

And he also said right out that Amy's life does not make any sense. It might have been just a reference to her mad current state, but it did not sound like it -- it was coupled with the reference to the oddness of the house. It isn't by any chance bigger on the inside, is it?

Hmmm. About Amy not being dead. Could it be that it was just the effects of another cyberman tranquiliser dart? That she didn't actually get shot?

Was Jacket Doctor controlling the TARDIS? Did he cause it to explode? Did he do something to stop it from exploding? How is a future version of the Doctor out there when the present version is locked inside an unbreakable cage? Will a crack appear inside the Pandorica, allowing him to escape into the past and effect the changes we've seen on the timeline?

I don't know! However, I'm willing to bet there's still more going on here than meets the eye.


Me neither! And me too.
It did not really feel like the Doctor controlled the TARDIS. Unless he has gone evil. I thought I heard Davros for a moment: "Silence will fall".

I did not recognise the pattern of the burn marks. But I feel like I should. Did you?

But that was a fantastic episode. I adored -- I mean truly loved -- that speech he gave to the assembled alien fleets from atop the rock. That was incredible. I must retype it here for posterity.

"Hello Stonehenge!

Who takes the Pandorica, takes the universe. But, bad news, everyone. 'Cause guess who!

They sent you lot, you're all ... whizzing about, it's very distracting, could you all just stay still a minute, because

I

AM

TALKING!

Now the question of the hour is, who's got the Pandorica. Answer, I do. Next question, who's coming to take it from me?

C'mon! Look at me, no plan, no backup, no weapons worth a damn, oh, and something else I don't have: Anything. To. Lose.

So, if you're sitting up there in your silly little spaceships with your silly ... little ... guns, if you've got any plans on taking the Pandorica tonight, just remember who's standing in your way. Remember every black day I ever stopped you, and then, AND THEN ... do the smart thing.

Let somebody else try first."


The speech was good.

I liked the opening of the episode a lot. The chain of people, and the wonderful effects of the hallucinogenic lipstic. I laughed out loud at that. And the "I hate good wizards in fairytales, they always turn out to be him" comment. SUCH a red herring.

And I LOVED the "I discover we've been playing host to Cleopatra. Who's in Egypt. And dead." moment.

And "there are fruitflies who live at XXX who live for 20 minutes, and they don't even mate for life" -- this episode was quite the cornucopia of witty comments.
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* Camilla - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 3781 Views
The only thing jumping to mind at the moment... Liam - 19/06/2010 09:38:44 PM 2058 Views
Oh and... Liam - 19/06/2010 11:41:17 PM 2060 Views
Nice! Camilla - 20/06/2010 07:57:03 AM 1950 Views
True... Liam - 20/06/2010 09:57:08 AM 2012 Views
Re: True... Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:59:09 AM 1978 Views
I am fairly sure... Michael - 22/06/2010 09:10:35 AM 1959 Views
Re: I am fairly sure... Camilla - 22/06/2010 09:16:18 AM 2236 Views
that was.... interesting. *NM* jh - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 1201 Views
Wow. Nate - 20/06/2010 12:16:16 AM 1986 Views
A note on his speech. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1898 Views
Indeed Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM 2049 Views
I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:03:40 AM 1989 Views
Re: I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:15:05 AM 1974 Views
Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 2149 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM 2066 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:13:42 PM 2076 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:32:49 PM 1904 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:39:46 PM 2068 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:48:48 PM 2162 Views
Re: Rose Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:43:57 PM 1979 Views
Re: Rose Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:46:05 PM 2024 Views
You had better watch it all again. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 1948 Views
So true. Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 2042 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:03:43 PM 2108 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:09:44 PM 1997 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 05:52:31 PM 2117 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 06:12:46 PM 1866 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:50:47 PM 2068 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:52:44 PM 2027 Views
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snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:01:29 AM 2024 Views
The Silence ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 1942 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 2000 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:54:30 AM 1942 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:46:58 PM 2023 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 02:01:49 AM 2028 Views
Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 2001 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* Liam - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 1280 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? Camilla - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1893 Views
Also. Nate - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 1995 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:33:34 AM 2005 Views
Re: Also. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:46:15 PM 2075 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:49:34 PM 2086 Views
I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:52:48 PM 1941 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:58:46 PM 2129 Views
Re: I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:04:37 PM 2023 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:10:35 PM 2120 Views
I think she had the best story arc of them all though. MikeyMikeyMikey - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 1918 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 1937 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1882 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Liam - 20/06/2010 10:26:34 AM 1938 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:27 AM 1859 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:16:44 PM 1960 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:28:35 PM 1912 Views
The Greeks were nuts snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1848 Views
*minor spoiler for next season* Mark - 20/06/2010 08:05:23 PM 1975 Views
Re: *minor spoiler for next season* Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:08:05 PM 1892 Views
I know, me too Mark - 20/06/2010 08:11:46 PM 1897 Views
Re: I know, me too Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:13:05 PM 1886 Views
I feel that there is another party to all this Mark - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1736 Views
Re: I feel that there is another party to all this Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:14:18 PM 1880 Views
The voice in the TARDIS is the key Mark - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 2028 Views
Re: The voice in the TARDIS is the key Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:19:32 PM 2130 Views
I have been wondering about that snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 1984 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 2005 Views
Yes, they are devious Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1875 Views
I can still see them both. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 1947 Views
Re: I can still see them both. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:05 PM 1841 Views
Who can blame them? Liam - 20/06/2010 10:31:38 PM 1886 Views
Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:34:26 PM 1857 Views
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I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Nate - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 1955 Views
Nutter Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:20:44 PM 2120 Views
Here you go, about the house. Nate - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1914 Views
It's not paranoia when they are really after you. Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:32:40 PM 1945 Views
Larger. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 2053 Views
You think Shada, I think... Liam - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 2157 Views
What book? Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 1914 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1806 Views
Hmm Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 1986 Views
Yes. *NM* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 1228 Views
*spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1839 Views
Re: *spoilers* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:43:18 PM 1994 Views
Re: *spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:44:33 PM 1985 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Liam - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1873 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:33:43 PM 1859 Views
Indeed. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 1929 Views
Re: Indeed. Camilla - 22/06/2010 10:23:00 AM 1972 Views
Re: the accent. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 2002 Views
Oh, I know. I have Scottish neighbours. The kids have never even live in Scotland but have accents. *NM* Liam - 22/06/2010 12:48:47 PM 1108 Views
More on that snoopcester - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1868 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 1957 Views
Re: Doesn't everyone think that? Camilla - 21/06/2010 11:06:35 AM 1901 Views
Elaborating on your crazy speculation... soilent brad - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 1916 Views
Re: Elaborating on your crazy speculation... Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:48:00 PM 1888 Views
Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 1932 Views
Nah Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 2112 Views
Good soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:07:27 AM 1966 Views
I have to ask... Wibble - 21/06/2010 11:31:15 AM 1883 Views
You have no idea what you are talking about, snoopcester - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1890 Views
Short answer: Camilla - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1825 Views
The real mystery of this to me is... Michael - 22/06/2010 10:41:02 AM 1874 Views
Re: The real mystery of this to me is... Camilla - 22/06/2010 04:04:32 PM 1862 Views
If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 22/06/2010 11:43:34 PM 1890 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:46:57 PM 1976 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:02:24 AM 1864 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:04:28 AM 1922 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:40:38 AM 1962 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:42:05 AM 1953 Views
Epiphany Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:11:09 AM 2008 Views
That's what I assumed. Darth_Katie - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 1910 Views
Re: That's what I assumed. Camilla - 23/06/2010 10:21:18 AM 1876 Views
That is what I assumed it to be Mark - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1731 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 1173 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 1190 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1907 Views
Have you been drinking again? Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 1943 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 1946 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman soilent brad - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 1975 Views
True Camilla - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 1935 Views
I don't recall the exact... Liam - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 2023 Views
Perhaps soilent brad - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1886 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". Liam - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1899 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? Camilla - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1881 Views
I suppose that it must have been. Liam - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 2036 Views
Another point I only just thought of. Michael - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1866 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. Michael - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 2044 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. Liam - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 2128 Views
I think ... Nate - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 1966 Views
Oh, I know, but... Liam - 27/06/2010 11:45:18 PM 1875 Views
I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. Darth_Katie - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1819 Views
mno Camilla - 26/06/2010 06:05:11 PM 1962 Views
Something that bothers me about that... soilent brad - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1844 Views
I'm guessing... Michael - 27/06/2010 01:45:09 PM 1889 Views
Re: Something that bothers me about that... Camilla - 27/06/2010 09:29:40 PM 1881 Views
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