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Indeed Camilla Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM
Well.

We were right in a way that the Pandorica was made to hold the Doctor. It looks like Rory isn't actually alive, but is a construction made from Amy's memory. When Rory first spoke about waking up with Roman memories, I thought it was the other way around -- that Amy had stolen him from the past because she loved Roman history, and that being a Roman was his true life that he woke up to after dying in Amy's life.


You think too much :P
But I also note that hope now is what is left in the box. So it fits with the myth.

And it is strange how the words describing what is in the box (goblin, trickster, warrior, soaked in the blood of.... most feared being &c) fits so well when you see the Doctor from the perspective of his enemies. "Nothing could stop it or hold it or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world". So true. No wonder they finally had enough.

Instead, it was the Alliance of Big Bads using Amy's memories to construct a trap for the Doctor. I wonder if that's all it is.


I want there to be more. Which seems a little unfair, because if this were Davies that would have been the point in the finale. But this is Moffat and my expectations are high.

There's still Jacket Doctor. There's still the need to remember. The Doctor said it right out loud in this episode -- if something is remembered, it can come back. That's what the duck pond meant, like I said. But I don't know how that will play out, or if it will mean anything, or if Amy can still bring the real Rory back now that she's remembering him, because she can't be dead just yet.


I am a little intrigued as to how he could come back. He isn't only absorbed, after all, he is also dead. Would he just materialise out of one of the cracks?

And he also said right out that Amy's life does not make any sense. It might have been just a reference to her mad current state, but it did not sound like it -- it was coupled with the reference to the oddness of the house. It isn't by any chance bigger on the inside, is it?

Hmmm. About Amy not being dead. Could it be that it was just the effects of another cyberman tranquiliser dart? That she didn't actually get shot?

Was Jacket Doctor controlling the TARDIS? Did he cause it to explode? Did he do something to stop it from exploding? How is a future version of the Doctor out there when the present version is locked inside an unbreakable cage? Will a crack appear inside the Pandorica, allowing him to escape into the past and effect the changes we've seen on the timeline?

I don't know! However, I'm willing to bet there's still more going on here than meets the eye.


Me neither! And me too.
It did not really feel like the Doctor controlled the TARDIS. Unless he has gone evil. I thought I heard Davros for a moment: "Silence will fall".

I did not recognise the pattern of the burn marks. But I feel like I should. Did you?

But that was a fantastic episode. I adored -- I mean truly loved -- that speech he gave to the assembled alien fleets from atop the rock. That was incredible. I must retype it here for posterity.

"Hello Stonehenge!

Who takes the Pandorica, takes the universe. But, bad news, everyone. 'Cause guess who!

They sent you lot, you're all ... whizzing about, it's very distracting, could you all just stay still a minute, because

I

AM

TALKING!

Now the question of the hour is, who's got the Pandorica. Answer, I do. Next question, who's coming to take it from me?

C'mon! Look at me, no plan, no backup, no weapons worth a damn, oh, and something else I don't have: Anything. To. Lose.

So, if you're sitting up there in your silly little spaceships with your silly ... little ... guns, if you've got any plans on taking the Pandorica tonight, just remember who's standing in your way. Remember every black day I ever stopped you, and then, AND THEN ... do the smart thing.

Let somebody else try first."


The speech was good.

I liked the opening of the episode a lot. The chain of people, and the wonderful effects of the hallucinogenic lipstic. I laughed out loud at that. And the "I hate good wizards in fairytales, they always turn out to be him" comment. SUCH a red herring.

And I LOVED the "I discover we've been playing host to Cleopatra. Who's in Egypt. And dead." moment.

And "there are fruitflies who live at XXX who live for 20 minutes, and they don't even mate for life" -- this episode was quite the cornucopia of witty comments.
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* Camilla - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 3850 Views
The only thing jumping to mind at the moment... Liam - 19/06/2010 09:38:44 PM 2124 Views
Oh and... Liam - 19/06/2010 11:41:17 PM 2126 Views
Nice! Camilla - 20/06/2010 07:57:03 AM 2017 Views
True... Liam - 20/06/2010 09:57:08 AM 2080 Views
Re: True... Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:59:09 AM 2047 Views
I am fairly sure... Michael - 22/06/2010 09:10:35 AM 2024 Views
Re: I am fairly sure... Camilla - 22/06/2010 09:16:18 AM 2300 Views
that was.... interesting. *NM* jh - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 1241 Views
Wow. Nate - 20/06/2010 12:16:16 AM 2062 Views
A note on his speech. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1956 Views
Indeed Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM 2128 Views
I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:03:40 AM 2047 Views
Re: I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:15:05 AM 2035 Views
Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 2223 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM 2143 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:13:42 PM 2145 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:32:49 PM 1977 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:39:46 PM 2142 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:48:48 PM 2222 Views
Re: Rose Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:43:57 PM 2040 Views
Re: Rose Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:46:05 PM 2083 Views
You had better watch it all again. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 2019 Views
So true. Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 2107 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:03:43 PM 2162 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:09:44 PM 2066 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 05:52:31 PM 2181 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 06:12:46 PM 1921 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:50:47 PM 2124 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:52:44 PM 2083 Views
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snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:01:29 AM 2079 Views
The Silence ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 2015 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 2066 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:54:30 AM 2009 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:46:58 PM 2096 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 02:01:49 AM 2086 Views
Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 2058 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* Liam - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 1315 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? Camilla - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1950 Views
Also. Nate - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 2057 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:33:34 AM 2067 Views
Re: Also. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:46:15 PM 2132 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:49:34 PM 2150 Views
I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:52:48 PM 2006 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:58:46 PM 2194 Views
Re: I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:04:37 PM 2093 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:10:35 PM 2187 Views
I think she had the best story arc of them all though. MikeyMikeyMikey - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 1987 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 1990 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1934 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Liam - 20/06/2010 10:26:34 AM 1992 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:27 AM 1923 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:16:44 PM 2017 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:28:35 PM 1982 Views
The Greeks were nuts snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1909 Views
*minor spoiler for next season* Mark - 20/06/2010 08:05:23 PM 2036 Views
Re: *minor spoiler for next season* Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:08:05 PM 1957 Views
I know, me too Mark - 20/06/2010 08:11:46 PM 1964 Views
Re: I know, me too Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:13:05 PM 1957 Views
I feel that there is another party to all this Mark - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1814 Views
Re: I feel that there is another party to all this Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:14:18 PM 1943 Views
The voice in the TARDIS is the key Mark - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 2095 Views
Re: The voice in the TARDIS is the key Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:19:32 PM 2203 Views
I have been wondering about that snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 2041 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 2078 Views
Yes, they are devious Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1943 Views
I can still see them both. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 2011 Views
Re: I can still see them both. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:05 PM 1902 Views
Who can blame them? Liam - 20/06/2010 10:31:38 PM 1950 Views
Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:34:26 PM 1913 Views
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Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:44:01 PM 1903 Views
I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Nate - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 2022 Views
Nutter Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:20:44 PM 2177 Views
Here you go, about the house. Nate - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1966 Views
It's not paranoia when they are really after you. Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:32:40 PM 2002 Views
Larger. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 2120 Views
You think Shada, I think... Liam - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 2227 Views
What book? Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 1981 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1873 Views
Hmm Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 2049 Views
Yes. *NM* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 1266 Views
*spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1900 Views
Re: *spoilers* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:43:18 PM 2060 Views
Re: *spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:44:33 PM 2062 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Liam - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1938 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:33:43 PM 1920 Views
Indeed. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 1983 Views
Re: Indeed. Camilla - 22/06/2010 10:23:00 AM 2036 Views
Re: the accent. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 2068 Views
Oh, I know. I have Scottish neighbours. The kids have never even live in Scotland but have accents. *NM* Liam - 22/06/2010 12:48:47 PM 1149 Views
More on that snoopcester - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1922 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 2016 Views
Re: Doesn't everyone think that? Camilla - 21/06/2010 11:06:35 AM 1959 Views
Elaborating on your crazy speculation... soilent brad - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 1973 Views
Re: Elaborating on your crazy speculation... Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:48:00 PM 1947 Views
Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 1995 Views
Nah Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 2173 Views
Good soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:07:27 AM 2035 Views
I have to ask... Wibble - 21/06/2010 11:31:15 AM 1945 Views
You have no idea what you are talking about, snoopcester - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1968 Views
Short answer: Camilla - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1886 Views
The real mystery of this to me is... Michael - 22/06/2010 10:41:02 AM 1933 Views
Re: The real mystery of this to me is... Camilla - 22/06/2010 04:04:32 PM 1955 Views
If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 22/06/2010 11:43:34 PM 1951 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:46:57 PM 2048 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:02:24 AM 1926 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:04:28 AM 1983 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:40:38 AM 2027 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:42:05 AM 2010 Views
Epiphany Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:11:09 AM 2065 Views
That's what I assumed. Darth_Katie - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 1967 Views
Re: That's what I assumed. Camilla - 23/06/2010 10:21:18 AM 1941 Views
That is what I assumed it to be Mark - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1798 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 1207 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 1228 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1966 Views
Have you been drinking again? Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 1999 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 2007 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman soilent brad - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 2039 Views
True Camilla - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 1997 Views
I don't recall the exact... Liam - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 2112 Views
Perhaps soilent brad - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1959 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". Liam - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1963 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? Camilla - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1955 Views
I suppose that it must have been. Liam - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 2107 Views
Another point I only just thought of. Michael - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1928 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. Michael - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 2110 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. Liam - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 2201 Views
I think ... Nate - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 2027 Views
Oh, I know, but... Liam - 27/06/2010 11:45:18 PM 1932 Views
I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. Darth_Katie - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1881 Views
mno Camilla - 26/06/2010 06:05:11 PM 2028 Views
Something that bothers me about that... soilent brad - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1906 Views
I'm guessing... Michael - 27/06/2010 01:45:09 PM 1952 Views
Re: Something that bothers me about that... Camilla - 27/06/2010 09:29:40 PM 1947 Views
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