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Very interesting. j-whitt987 Send a noteboard - 19/01/2011 10:28:35 PM
There are certain "wrongful" acts that are crimes, i.e. if you do them the police can come after you and you can be prosecuted by the state. There are others which are torts, such as breaching a contract, trespassing on somebody's land, or causing somebody injury due to negligence (as opposed to on purpose or recklessly). Here, the state does not get involved except to provide a forum for resolving the dispute. You cannot be arrested or prosecuted for committing a tort, but the person harmed can take you to court, usually for an award of damages (i.e. monetary compensation) and/or an injunction (a court order not to do something). Tort is a private law area while crime is a public law area.

(Of course, many things are both crimes and torts, such as assault. If you do this you can be prosecuted and sued. But these will be separate cases, brought by different parties, and with different standards of proof.)

Copyright infringement is principally a tort, which means the production company can sue you for any loss they believe they have suffered as a result of your violations. There may be circumstances in which it is also a crime, but this is probably only the case (a) in a few countries, and (b) if you're making lots of money from it.

If you download the odd movie, the police will not come knocking on your door. A production company is also very unlikely to sue you unless you are a big-time distributor of files.

In the law I'm studying (Scots), pure information cannot be stolen, because the definition of theft involves (a) physical property, and (b) intentionally depriving the owner of its use. If you steal a DVD from a shop, you are taking something physical away from its owner, who then cannot use it. Neither of these is the case if you download a video file of the film. So the annoying adverts equating downloading with theft are simply wrong. I can't speak for other countries, but I bet that at least one of these requirements for theft applies pretty much everywhere, which would preclude unauthorised downloading from being theft.


I didn't even know that tort was a word. Now I can use it in my next game of Scrabble if I get those tiles. Thanks.
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Why is downloading "illegally" really illegal? j-whitt987 - 19/01/2011 03:30:57 PM 1851 Views
Hmmm Dark Knight - 19/01/2011 05:00:16 PM 1421 Views
I think Camilla - 19/01/2011 05:11:56 PM 1317 Views
you can't legally record and distribute TV shows random thoughts - 19/01/2011 05:21:06 PM 1415 Views
Re: you can't legally record and distribute TV shows j-whitt987 - 19/01/2011 09:52:48 PM 1495 Views
Many shows (especially sports) forbid the duplication of said show in a statement or the credits. everynametaken - 20/01/2011 03:22:10 AM 1353 Views
I haven't been able to read the credits for TV shows in years. j-whitt987 - 20/01/2011 03:51:40 AM 1235 Views
Ignorance of the law is not a valid defence *NM* Stephen - 21/01/2011 01:21:25 PM 654 Views
How do you figure that? j-whitt987 - 21/01/2011 02:08:13 PM 1323 Views
Re: How do you figure that? Bergioyn - 21/01/2011 09:09:19 PM 1361 Views
Re: How do you figure that? j-whitt987 - 21/01/2011 09:19:46 PM 1252 Views
Re: How do you figure that? Brian - 22/01/2011 08:33:04 PM 1822 Views
What is an imaginary island? The_Muted_Grimaud - 23/01/2011 04:47:40 AM 1371 Views
In some places it's exactly that Brian - 23/01/2011 07:35:32 AM 1660 Views
A lot of it's volume. Palatine - 19/01/2011 05:32:03 PM 1335 Views
Your argument lacks merit. jh - 19/01/2011 05:50:11 PM 1326 Views
Agreed. Camilla - 19/01/2011 06:01:13 PM 1162 Views
Both terms lack accuracy in this case really. Jacob - 19/01/2011 06:37:29 PM 1603 Views
That's what I mean right there. j-whitt987 - 19/01/2011 06:48:38 PM 1350 Views
The punishable crime is Jacob - 21/01/2011 01:57:54 PM 1539 Views
Re: Your argument lacks merit. Palatine - 20/01/2011 03:40:20 PM 1289 Views
In my opinion Bergioyn - 19/01/2011 09:22:29 PM 1311 Views
The battle is over, the internet won ironclad - 19/01/2011 10:12:50 PM 1278 Views
We need to distinguish between a crime and a tort. Tim - 19/01/2011 10:17:30 PM 1449 Views
Very interesting. j-whitt987 - 19/01/2011 10:28:35 PM 1460 Views
Another scrabble word for you is "delict". That's what we call tort in Scotland. Tim - 19/01/2011 10:37:08 PM 1342 Views
I saw. j-whitt987 - 19/01/2011 10:41:27 PM 1285 Views
It won't get you very many points. Rebekah - 19/01/2011 10:37:26 PM 1199 Views
I would set me up for tortellini. j-whitt987 - 19/01/2011 10:40:45 PM 1252 Views
Also in most circumstances you could use "trot" instead. *NM* Tim - 19/01/2011 10:42:26 PM 734 Views
Very nice legal overview, also I like Scotland's approach a lot newyorkersedai - 19/01/2011 11:21:47 PM 1257 Views
The case that decided information can't be stolen dates from 1987. Tim - 20/01/2011 09:35:31 AM 2049 Views
Unfortunately, damages can result in thousands of dollars for one song soilent brad - 22/01/2011 08:19:40 PM 1193 Views
Here's the US answer on the VCR thing, and how it relates to today's copyright problems newyorkersedai - 19/01/2011 11:35:31 PM 1411 Views
Re: Here's the US answer on the VCR thing, and how it relates to today's copyright problems *NM* newyorkersedai - 19/01/2011 11:37:56 PM 818 Views
Re: Here's the US answer on the VCR thing, and how it relates to today's copyright problems j-whitt987 - 20/01/2011 12:49:55 AM 1625 Views
I look at it both ways, like crossing the street newyorkersedai - 20/01/2011 05:37:30 AM 1462 Views
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