I think Lews Therin's comments to Rand were the most hugely significant part of the chapter.
Werthead Send a noteboard - 06/09/2009 01:15:05 AM
Rand asks Lews Therin, "Why did you remake the prison with a flaw?" and Lews Therin basically replies that the female Aes Sedai condemned his plan and wouldn't go along with it, and tries to blame them but then goes off on one of his Ilyena tangents.
I think this is massively significant. Ever since the world book came out, there seems to have been this assumption that the information in it was known to Rand and co, since the world book was apparently a historical text written in Rand's time. However this turns out not to be the case. Rand has no idea about the Fateful Concord, Latra Posae Decume or the split in the Hall of the Servants that led Lews Therin to take only men to attack Shayol Ghul.
This to me confirms that the 'flaw' in the prison is because the prison was made out of the combined, full might of the One Power: saidin and saidar together. And saidin by itself could not repair the Bore, only tighten it closed and give the Dark One the chance to eventually break through again (and taint saidin at the same time), albeit not for 3500 years.
So that gives us the answer to the entire situation: Rand cannot re-seal the Dark One's prison by himself, not without re-tainting saidin. He needs to take female channelers with him when he does the Assault on Shayol Ghul II or it's game over. And if the women try to do it solo, saidar will be tainted next time.
Assuming that is the case, it'll be interesting to see how long it takes for Rand to realise that.
I think this is massively significant. Ever since the world book came out, there seems to have been this assumption that the information in it was known to Rand and co, since the world book was apparently a historical text written in Rand's time. However this turns out not to be the case. Rand has no idea about the Fateful Concord, Latra Posae Decume or the split in the Hall of the Servants that led Lews Therin to take only men to attack Shayol Ghul.
This to me confirms that the 'flaw' in the prison is because the prison was made out of the combined, full might of the One Power: saidin and saidar together. And saidin by itself could not repair the Bore, only tighten it closed and give the Dark One the chance to eventually break through again (and taint saidin at the same time), albeit not for 3500 years.
So that gives us the answer to the entire situation: Rand cannot re-seal the Dark One's prison by himself, not without re-tainting saidin. He needs to take female channelers with him when he does the Assault on Shayol Ghul II or it's game over. And if the women try to do it solo, saidar will be tainted next time.
Assuming that is the case, it'll be interesting to see how long it takes for Rand to realise that.
Your thoughts on TGS - Chapter 1
- 05/09/2009 05:23:47 PM
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For all of those whining about it not sounding like RJ:
- 05/09/2009 05:47:07 PM
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You're forgetting one thing.
- 06/09/2009 12:13:03 AM
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And if he were to off Egwene? What would your opinion be? *NM*
- 07/09/2009 05:38:36 AM
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He dislikes Sanderson's prose. Plot content is irrelevant here. *NM*
- 08/09/2009 06:44:42 PM
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Pretty good.
- 05/09/2009 07:35:41 PM
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Re: Pretty good.
- 05/09/2009 09:13:44 PM
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I found it well-written, but rather uninteresting story-wise *NM*
- 05/09/2009 08:04:15 PM
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because there should totaly be massive plot development in the first chapter
- 05/09/2009 08:29:18 PM
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- 05/09/2009 08:29:18 PM
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I'm tired of passive story telling.
- 05/09/2009 08:57:13 PM
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I'm tired of mindless readers
- 06/09/2009 01:54:14 AM
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Re: I'm tired of mindless readers
- 06/09/2009 04:01:56 AM
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I was over critical.
- 06/09/2009 04:56:48 AM
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A real analyst or literary critic would laugh his ass off to see this...
- 06/09/2009 06:51:57 AM
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Re: because there should totaly be massive plot development in the first chapter
- 06/09/2009 01:22:09 AM
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- 06/09/2009 01:22:09 AM
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A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 05/09/2009 09:34:44 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 05/09/2009 10:03:59 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 06/09/2009 03:18:41 AM
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I think Lews Therin's comments to Rand were the most hugely significant part of the chapter.
- 06/09/2009 01:15:05 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 06/09/2009 02:52:47 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 06/09/2009 07:08:08 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 06/09/2009 10:31:20 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 07/09/2009 05:09:38 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 08/09/2009 10:19:13 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 10/09/2009 06:20:56 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 08/09/2009 11:46:44 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 07/09/2009 04:41:47 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
- 09/09/2009 03:48:53 PM
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Good post, but I have an alternative explanation for the saidin barrier
- 28/09/2009 12:53:41 AM
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Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
- 06/09/2009 12:02:13 AM
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Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
- 06/09/2009 05:12:25 PM
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Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
- 06/09/2009 07:20:45 PM
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I found it...interesting --spoilers--
- 06/09/2009 01:33:11 AM
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I liked it
- 06/09/2009 07:58:09 AM
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Some questions...
- 06/09/2009 08:04:30 AM
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Theory: Rand and Egwene. What is up?
- 06/09/2009 07:59:58 AM
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A simpler answer
- 06/09/2009 03:04:04 PM
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Really?
- 06/09/2009 03:38:59 PM
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Look at what he has seen...
- 06/09/2009 11:45:44 PM
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And all this happeened in the few days between the end of KoD and the beginning of tGS?
- 07/09/2009 12:35:29 AM
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Why not? How often did he think of Egwene in A Plain Wooden Box? It might have been there already
- 07/09/2009 05:29:27 AM
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She treated him like a pawn when she "passed" him over to Elayne way back. NM *NM*
- 07/09/2009 02:49:18 PM
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are we already at the location of the book cover?
- 06/09/2009 11:49:06 AM
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Two Things
- 07/09/2009 12:25:31 AM
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My thoughts are that the main page is being crowded by too many duplicate threads
- 07/09/2009 10:23:41 PM
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I know why Rand is mad at Egwene...read inside to find out
- 11/09/2009 03:15:00 AM
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Ummm... the embassy's proposal was accepted, and (presumably) communicated to Egwene at the earliest *NM*
- 11/09/2009 04:16:31 AM
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Semirhage isn't scaring anyone
- 28/09/2009 02:32:34 PM
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Indeed...
- 28/09/2009 03:36:55 PM
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Will the Chosen pass that edict down or just not act themselves?
- 28/09/2009 10:29:53 PM
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