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Re: Pretty good. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 06/09/2009 01:19:22 AM
An irony is that because of Brandon's own style, his descriptive paragraphs are actually longer than Jordan! The long opening survey of Tar Valon, for instance. Jordan would have been more succinct, perhaps much more. The grammar and prose are different, but - at least in the sample of one chapter only - Brandon defintely got the spirit of Jordan's descriptions. It reads like the way RJ uses descriptions, but written by someone else.

That's my real complaint - he's not as good with it. He's trying to describe things the way RJ does, but I don't think his vocabulary is up to it. There's cases of settling for what my teachers in grade school used to call overworked words, or falling back on the word we might use in contemporary speech, but not one that Rand would use when describing something.

Which is fine. Big fans of the prose (as I am, so is Cannoli) have undeniably lost something big (and not because Brandon isn't good, but because for it's not Jordan) but it's not something we had expected to get with AMOL after RJ died.

Well, those of us stupid enough to trust Jason did.

Reading pseudo-Robert Jordan would have been terrible, anyway. After a few chapters, when the story intensifies, that should be barely noticeable. It may get more irritating on multiple re reads, once you're less captivated by the story itself - especially full ones preceeded by 11 books by RJ.

Here's hoping.

Out of "voice" here and there, but not out of character. Nothing major. Rand pays too much attention suddenly to things he hasn't in some time, that sort of things. The only line that came off really weird to me is Cadsuane using a metaphor about painting when speaking of torture. The association felt odd in her mouth. Too Questioner-like.

Agreed. Cadsuane was the biggest problem for me. Sanderson's abuse of the pronoun "one" was grating (I kept thinking of Liza Doolittle at the racetrack), and I found her addressing Nynaeve as "child" to be gratuitous and out of character. Cadsuane would simply call her "girl." Calling someone "child" is a trick of the typical Aes Sedai, whose attitude of superiority derives entirely from her status as such. Cadsuane's attitude of superiority is subtly different, but profound - it is grounded entirely on her own qualities. She has no false modesty and knows her own worth and capabilities, and measures people by her own standards. She almost never falls back on her office as a means of garnering respect. Cadsuane is not better than you because she's Aes Sedai (or a "real" Aes Sedai), she's better than you 'cause she's Cadsuane! It might be nit-picking, but that is the difference implied in the choice of words to me. And Cadsuane doesn't stride. The use of the word stride implies physical expression of emotion completely at odds with her normal deportment. She is seldom even described as moving - stillness and calmness and unextraordinary physical activity are the hallmarks of Cadsuane's appearances. Nynaeve, Egwene, Siuan, Birgitte, Elaida, Elayne, Faile, even Moiraine can stride. Cadsuane should not, or at least not unless it is intended to convey something off or unsettling or strongly affecting her. Simply entering Rand's room is not the appropriate place for such a word.

And I realize that such things are nit-picky or perhaps too subtle to make a fuss over for most people, but these are the only sorts of things that should pass muster for the editors and publishers of WoT. If anything more serious had gone through, I would be calling for heads on platters. As it is, there are a lot of subtle problems, which add up to a dissonance in the style, but I have hopes that it will go down easier over time.

But he's doing well enough. I didn't expect Brandon to be able to study everything to the most minute details, for instance study the subtleties in the progression of Rand's voice through the books to the point he can reproduce it to perfection. He would have needed not a few months but a year or more of research and analysis to get there. Between his re read and Harriet's guidance, he's done more than well enough as it is. So Rand is not exactly as distanced as he felt from his entourage in recent books, and speaks of clothes like Elayne or Mat would do. Big deal. The plot points, the core psychology of the character are all there. That was essential, and it's there.

More or less. I don't have specifics, but I got the impression he whined more, and articulated thoughts that belonged in the background descriptions.

Totally Adam. The irony is that quite a few of those who have made those accusations don't even know their Jordan well enough to know what they're talking about (eg: saying it reads like FF because Cadsuane speaks of paintings and painters and it's barely in the series at all. Jeez. A simple keyword search show there are dozens and more references to art, painting, the new style in favour (oil on canvas)- there is a fledging 'renaissance' ongoing in fine arts in the series - RJ just mostly kept it to background descriptions or minor plot point (like Elaida commissioning a painting) etc. But it's there. Fan fiction, indeed.

Let's not go that far. I've come across some fairly horrible examples of such on the internet. I'm not exactly thrilled with what we've got so far, and Jason's blather didn't help, but I'd rather have what we're getting now, than something a few degrees closer next year. Sanderson was not going to hit his stride vocabulary-wise for years if ever, so the real problems I have would not be solved with more time to familiarize himself with the characters, even if I do think his expressed understanding of them to date has been distressingly shallow and superficial, resulting in the "off" portrayal of Cadsuane such as I described above. Even if he totally got all of that, I think his own writing style suggests I would still have problems with that sort of thing. I can't even be sure whether the Cadsuane issue is a problem of characterization or simply that he expresses the same concept in a different manner than I would understand it.

It could be worse. To wit:
1. Kevin J Anderson
2. Joe Torre (just because he craps up everything)
3. Sara DouglAss
4. No more WoT at all
5. George RR Martin (we wouldn't see aMoL OR DwD for about five more years at best)
Cannoli
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On Egwene... - 10/09/2009 04:33:58 PM 1608 Views
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A simpler answer - 06/09/2009 03:04:04 PM 1693 Views
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uh - 09/09/2009 10:57:17 PM 1566 Views
Timeline? - 07/09/2009 05:10:16 AM 1607 Views
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So what chapter symbol is it going to have? *NM* - 07/09/2009 08:09:54 AM 938 Views
the dragon in COT chap 23 ornaments *NM* - 07/09/2009 01:28:58 PM 940 Views
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Red stone doorway. - 07/09/2009 03:27:22 PM 1476 Views
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... - 08/09/2009 07:24:46 PM 1539 Views
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