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Thanks Sidious Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM
The problem is that we don't know if you can Travel out of TAR when you're only there in the dream state. I think normal Travelling would just get you to another place in TAR, based on the fact the weave used to get in and out of TAR in the flesh isn't exactly the same as Travelling.

My feeling is that this wouldn't work, even using Egwene's Tar-entering weave. I suspect something really, really bad might happen if you exit TAR this way while there in the dream state. It could sever your soul from your body or drive you mad or kill you, or stuff in this vein - or less dramatically you would just snap right back into your body the moment your dream-self tries to step out of TAR.



Yes, I have the same feeling. I think you might be able to make a gateway to the real world - you seem to be able to channel everything else there if you want to. However, putting your hand through the gateway will either run you into a barrier, or make your hand disappear, or kill you or something.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1530 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 944 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 968 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 831 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 746 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 687 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 681 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 771 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 667 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 774 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 702 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 656 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 679 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 740 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 737 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 699 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 744 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 790 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 885 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 717 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 719 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 327 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 660 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 850 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 711 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 857 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 759 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 763 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 739 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 707 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 702 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 741 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 704 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 671 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 343 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 795 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 719 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 702 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 914 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 663 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 652 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 668 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 699 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 880 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 709 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 669 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 950 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 733 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 356 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 691 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 610 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 654 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 652 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 716 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 679 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 674 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 767 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 656 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 662 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 718 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 663 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 632 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 607 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 295 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 633 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 779 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 728 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 654 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 739 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 755 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 724 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 644 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 644 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 706 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 715 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 742 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 678 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 765 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 645 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 583 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 704 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 869 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 796 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 645 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 309 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 779 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 705 Views
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