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Interesting idea. Datakim Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM

I mean that you Travel out of TAR using a gateway. Your ethereal self then frees you.


I suspect this is impossible. Maybe you could open a gateway, but I suspect you would experience the same effect as Perrin did when he tried to enter an open waygate. That is to say, you could not actually enter the gateway.

I realise that gateways and waygates are totally separate, but it is the only even remotely similar thing I can think of.

Here is what happens when Perrin tries to pass through a waygate in a dream:


Unaware of crossing the distance, suddenly he was right at the Waygate. There was no treefoil leaf among the verdant tangle on the inside of the two gates. Strange to think that at that moment, in the waking world, someone or something was passing through where he stood. Touching the dull surface, he grunted. It might as well have been a mirror, his hand slid across it as across the smoothest glass.


I suspect a dreamer trying to enter the physical world in spirit-form would experience something similar. You would simply be blocked from entering. Either that, or as others have suggested it would have some horrible result such as death or something.

If you could do it, there would quite literally be two different versions of you in existence at the same time. The "ethereal" you and the real you. That just boggles the mind with all the completely bizarre things that could happen as a result. No, I think it is impossible.

Still, maybe this is something that could be asked of Sanderson, it is an interesting thought and maybe RJ has something about it in his notes, you never know.


This did bring up another idea though. What if you did this in reverse? What if a dreamer entered TAR in the flesh while tired, and then went to sleep while he was in TAR itself? I mean if you are there in the flesh you would presumably carry all your fleshy problems including tiredness so you could go to sleep. But since you were already in the world of dreams, where would you go? Would you go nowhere? Or in this case, would you appear in the same TAR in ethereal form and be able to mess around with your sleeping body (which was also in TAR).
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Help me out with a TAR problem - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1596 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 993 Views
No I don't mean that - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1023 Views
Re: No I don't mean that - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 875 Views
Re: No I don't mean that - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 806 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 728 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 734 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 834 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 716 Views
I think it would be the latter - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 828 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 761 Views
I disagree - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 767 Views
Re: I disagree - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 802 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 842 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 937 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 788 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 766 Views
*nods* *NM* - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 360 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 704 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 899 Views
I don't agree. - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 764 Views
you are misreading me I think - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 902 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 831 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 807 Views
That's the point. - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 783 Views
Re: That's the point. - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 760 Views
Re: That's the point. - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 740 Views
We may never know! - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 791 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 741 Views
Interesting idea. - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 724 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 370 Views
Channeler heal thyself - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 857 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 757 Views
Doesn't work - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 962 Views
we've seen this fail - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 710 Views
I don't mean that - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 707 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 722 Views
As far as I know... - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 762 Views
This could work - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 928 Views
Thanks - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 755 Views
Re: Thanks - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 719 Views
So I think this disproves it - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1003 Views
Is that really true? - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 780 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 379 Views
I would generally agree with your edits - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 746 Views
yes and no - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 654 Views
Re: yes and no - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 701 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 767 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 731 Views
And I agree with your response - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 730 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 828 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 701 Views
The short answer to Birgitte - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 712 Views
I think this is possible. - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 765 Views
Dream gateway! - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 718 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 682 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 657 Views
aren't we all? *NM* - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 323 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 677 Views
Why not? - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 847 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 791 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 713 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 788 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 805 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 766 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 697 Views
That's a weird situation. - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 742 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 768 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 789 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 730 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 812 Views
Actually I don't think so.. - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 696 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 767 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 919 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 702 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 329 Views
problem solved... sort of? - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 840 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 749 Views

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