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Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM

If it didn't Moghedien would have found a Black Sister and gotten herself free... or would have pulled Nynaeve or Elayne into TAR at some point and gotten revenge ... too many options for her if it didn't stop her.

But it seems likely that death or madness akin to Machin Chin eating your soul would be the outcome if you left TAR in Spirit form.


This seems likely.

I wonder if this might also explain the other bizarre thing with the whole Moghedien episode that I have often wondered about. When Nynaeve imagined the a'dam collar around Moghediens neck while they were both in TAR, why is it that Moghedien did not just imagine the a'dam into nothingness? I mean we know that is possible, we have seen people change their clothes or imagine things such as bushes or other items into vanishing.

Why did Moghedien who is supposedly such a master of TAR not just get rid of the collar with her mind. For that matter, why did she not just choose to wake up in the real world and free herself from the collar that way. We know that dreamers can wake up at-will.

This would all be explained if the a'dam has some inbuilt block that neutralises all dream-abilities. Once Nynaeve imagined the thing around Moghedien's neck, Moghedien was no longer able to influence TAR in any way, or leave TAR willingly. Maybe dreamers were a lot more common in Seanchan and something like this was required to prevent the damane from forcibly pulling the sul'dam to TAR and killing her in her dreams or something.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1664 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 1058 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1082 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 941 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 869 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 791 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 791 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 905 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 767 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 889 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 849 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 802 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 804 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 865 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 861 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 836 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 874 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 892 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 1005 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 853 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 828 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 383 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 762 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 959 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 820 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 958 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 899 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 863 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 848 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 817 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 794 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 836 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 803 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 784 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 386 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 925 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 821 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 822 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 1026 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 768 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 764 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 777 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 827 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 982 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 817 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 780 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1065 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 840 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 402 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 799 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 717 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 765 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 769 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 842 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 796 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 804 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 890 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 758 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 778 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 834 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 776 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 742 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 720 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 351 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 745 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 910 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 850 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 778 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 851 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 861 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 819 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 757 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 757 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 808 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 835 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 861 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 782 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 883 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 749 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 711 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 821 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 970 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 920 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 769 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 351 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 904 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 801 Views
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