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I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM
I wonder if this might also explain the other bizarre thing with the whole Moghedien episode that I have often wondered about. When Nynaeve imagined the a'dam collar around Moghediens neck while they were both in TAR, why is it that Moghedien did not just imagine the a'dam into nothingness? I mean we know that is possible, we have seen people change their clothes or imagine things such as bushes or other items into vanishing.

Why did Moghedien who is supposedly such a master of TAR not just get rid of the collar with her mind. For that matter, why did she not just choose to wake up in the real world and free herself from the collar that way. We know that dreamers can wake up at-will.


I would propose that the anser is that either Nyneve BELIEVED when she created it that Moggy would not be able to and thus the a'dam that was created had the ability to prevent it, or Moggy BELIEVED that she couldn't. TAR is all about what you believe.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1665 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 1060 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 1084 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 942 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 870 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 793 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 793 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 906 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 768 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 891 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 851 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 803 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 805 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 866 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 862 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 838 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 875 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 895 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 1006 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 856 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 830 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 384 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 764 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 961 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 822 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 959 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 900 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 864 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 850 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 819 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 796 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 837 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 804 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 786 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 387 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 927 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 822 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 823 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 1029 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 770 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 766 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 779 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 830 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 984 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 819 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 781 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 1067 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 842 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 403 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 801 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 720 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 768 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 770 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 844 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 798 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 805 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 891 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 759 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 780 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 836 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 777 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 743 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 722 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 353 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 747 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 911 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 851 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 779 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 852 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 862 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 820 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 758 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 758 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 809 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 837 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 863 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 785 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 886 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 751 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 713 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 823 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 972 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 921 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 770 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 352 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 907 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 803 Views
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