... It probably affected reality. Birgitte's body is actually wholesale creation of matter and physically impossible, so it'd take some significant magic to accomplish, I should think.
EDITED because the original phrasing sounded more sarcastic than intended.
EDITED because the original phrasing sounded more sarcastic than intended.
The heros bound to the horn have a physical body. Something is physically manifested when the horn is blown. It seems to me then that Brigette had a physical body prior to being kicked out of TAR. As for the creation of matter, I can not recall any time in the series in which the OP has been used to truley create anything, only control energy; though Rands fire sword and Moirane's demonstration to the girls comes close.
TGH
The Grave Is No Bar to My Call
At the edge of his awareness, Rand saw the Seanchan falling back in the streets of Falme, fighting desperately. Damane tore the earth with the One Power, but it could not harm Artur Hawkwing, nor the other heroes of the Horn.
Sounds like from this passage we have more "phantom" warriors than physical ones ... at least IMO.
Also if they had physical bodies that means they could die when the Horn called them forth, and that seems silly!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 28/05/2010 at 04:16:53 PM
Help me out with a TAR problem
- 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM
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Re: Help me out with a TAR problem
- 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM
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No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM
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I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
- 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM
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Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
- 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM
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And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too
- 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM
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I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM
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I disagree
- 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM
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Re: I disagree
- 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM
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If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
- 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM
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Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
- 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM
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I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here
- 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM
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We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop.
- 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM
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But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR
- 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM
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The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself
- 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM
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I don't agree.
- 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM
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you are misreading me I think
- 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM
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Re: you are misreading me I think
- 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM
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That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM
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Re: That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM
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Re: That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM
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Interesting idea.
- 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM
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There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies
- 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM
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we've seen this fail
- 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM
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So I think this disproves it
- 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM
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Is that really true?
- 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM
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Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM*
- 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM
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I would generally agree with your edits
- 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM
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yes and no
- 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM
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Re: yes and no
- 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM
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5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously
- 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM
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well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte
- 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM
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Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit?
- 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM
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You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh.
- 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM
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I think this is possible.
- 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM
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Dream gateway!
- 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM
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I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form
- 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM
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if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind
- 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM
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if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R
- 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM
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I don't think anybody has said this before...
- 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM
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Your real body can only channel Spirit.
- 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM
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Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world.
- 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM
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Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling.
- 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM
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The only real situation we have to compare...
- 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM
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That's a weird situation.
- 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM
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Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious'
- 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM
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Re: The only real situation we have to compare...
- 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM
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If something that didn't exist before existed after...
- 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM
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Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after...
- 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM
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Actually I don't think so..
- 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM
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Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere.
- 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM
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TAR constructs cannot leave it.
- 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM
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Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ...
- 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM
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I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR...
- 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM
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