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Forsaken translations Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM
This may be rather obvious to some people, but I've always found it nifty.

Sammael - Destroyer of Hope
Ishamael - Betrayer of Hope

Thus we can conclude that 'mael' probably means hope in the Old Tongue. It's a nice small little attention to detail played by RJ. It also insinuates that all of the Forsaken have names that can be directly translated.

Therefore with Lanfear, we might be looking at Lan-Fear ... Daughter-Night, if the Old Tingue can be translated so crudely. Of course this means Lan is a Daughter, which is fun to ponder.

I've been searching through Old Tongue quotes in the series looking for hints to decipher potential translations for other Forsaken names. I've come up short so far, but would like to know if anyone else has found anything. The only thing I've found is that Moridin is also found on the Horn of Valere, which is a nice direct translation of Death i.e. The Grave is no bar to my Call.

Osan'gar and Aran'gar are named after left and right handed daggers, so Osan might mean left and Aran might mean right, if those translations were direct. 'gar' might mean blade, or weapon.
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Forsaken translations - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2283 Views
Yeah... - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1577 Views
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or that *NM* - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 695 Views
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Some Old Tongue translations - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1252 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 708 Views
Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1294 Views
Re: Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1153 Views
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As always, - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1142 Views
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it's the other way around... - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1199 Views
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I'm not being very clear - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1229 Views
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Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1243 Views
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Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1107 Views
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not ballsy, just psycho - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1245 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1122 Views
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Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 594 Views
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Interesting *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 692 Views
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Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1377 Views
And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1313 Views
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A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7398 Views

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