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I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM
This may be rather obvious to some people, but I've always found it nifty.

Sammael - Destroyer of Hope
Ishamael - Betrayer of Hope

Thus we can conclude that 'mael' probably means hope in the Old Tongue. It's a nice small little attention to detail played by RJ. It also insinuates that all of the Forsaken have names that can be directly translated.

Therefore with Lanfear, we might be looking at Lan-Fear ... Daughter-Night, if the Old Tingue can be translated so crudely. Of course this means Lan is a Daughter, which is fun to ponder.

I've been searching through Old Tongue quotes in the series looking for hints to decipher potential translations for other Forsaken names. I've come up short so far, but would like to know if anyone else has found anything. The only thing I've found is that Moridin is also found on the Horn of Valere, which is a nice direct translation of Death i.e. The Grave is no bar to my Call.

Osan'gar and Aran'gar are named after left and right handed daggers, so Osan might mean left and Aran might mean right, if those translations were direct. 'gar' might mean blade, or weapon.


Since in the OT context means so much I tend to think the FS names are probably more symbolic

Lanfear could mean something closer to "evil moon" but the "translation" would be Daughter of the Night etc... Perhaps Lan is a word for Moon

I have a feeling most of their names are are cobbled together like what Moghedien tells us about the word "Mia'cova"

aCoS
Mindtrap

"I greet you eagerly, Mia'cova." The lashed-together title burned on her tongue. "One Who Owns Me," it meant, or simply, "My Owner."

Seems to me that the FS names would be similar type situations...
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Forsaken translations - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2570 Views
Yeah... - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1840 Views
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Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1435 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1502 Views
or that *NM* - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 856 Views
About Aginor - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1947 Views
Great! - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1639 Views
Some Old Tongue translations - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1541 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 847 Views
Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1606 Views
Re: Good luck with that - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1425 Views
Very interesting! - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1578 Views
As always, - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1408 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1746 Views
it's the other way around... - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1483 Views
good point - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1473 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1512 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1500 Views
What about Cyndane - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1395 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 769 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 891 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 795 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 755 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 682 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 765 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 810 Views
Re: good point - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1572 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1477 Views
I disagree - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1541 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1663 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1606 Views
Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1527 Views
Re: Disagree - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1470 Views
I'm not being very clear - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1490 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3949 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1496 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1359 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1522 Views
I think it's shown well - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1674 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1607 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1547 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1378 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 1313 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1511 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1415 Views
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Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1553 Views
not ballsy, just psycho - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1515 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1409 Views
I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1360 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1470 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1468 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1490 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1625 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1443 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 746 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1553 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1515 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1510 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1533 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1514 Views
Interesting *NM* - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 841 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1712 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1407 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1512 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1691 Views
And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1617 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1440 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1674 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 801 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1692 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 644 Views
Lizard? *NM* - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 838 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 730 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 1252 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7666 Views

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