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Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM

Yes I forgot about Moghedien being a species of spider. Be'lal is probably the Envious, and even Moiraine makes it plain that it was his strong trait.

Semirhage may be the Lady of Pain, or perhaps crudely translated it would be the Woman of Agony or something.

Demandred has many possibilities. My first choice would be 'the Covetor', but another strong possibility is the 'False Prophet' because he was a potential Dragon, who went rogue.

Mesaana's probably centered on revenge, Graendal's on lust, and Asmodean on 'Unfulfilled Talent' or perhaps something directly surrounding his music.


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The carving seemed an odd choice - what people around Ebou Dar called the Thirteen Sins; a man with eyes that nearly filled his whole face for Envy, a fellow with his tongue hanging to his ankles for Gossip, a snarling, sharp-toothed man clutching coins to his chest for Greed, and so on

I wonder if these "13 Sins" are somehow a 3000 year old reminder of the FS ... just a random thought :)


Indeed. Another one is the saying that if there's sunshine while it rains, the Dark One is beating Semirhage. Later Semirhage really was beaten. LOL
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Forsaken translations Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2358 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1646 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... Shannow - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 1989 Views
You are right... Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1550 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? Cannoli - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1428 Views
On Be'lal Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1319 Views
Nice ideas! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1454 Views
The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM 1225 Views
Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM 1368 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle Great Lord of Chaos - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1283 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1222 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1296 Views
or that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 740 Views
About Aginor Ishamael - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1737 Views
Great! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1404 Views
Some Old Tongue translations sylph - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1327 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 755 Views
Good luck with that DomA - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1364 Views
Re: Good luck with that Cynewulf - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1227 Views
Very interesting! Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1321 Views
As always, KOuellette - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1213 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1513 Views
it's the other way around... DomA - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1274 Views
good point darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1276 Views
Re: good point DomA - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1329 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1310 Views
What about Cyndane Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1204 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 664 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 815 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 691 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 653 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 584 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 668 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 713 Views
Re: good point Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1348 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1234 Views
I disagree Etzel - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1331 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1460 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1425 Views
Disagree darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1347 Views
Re: Disagree Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1295 Views
I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1307 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3699 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1314 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1165 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1311 Views
I think it's shown well Sidious - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1440 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1415 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1359 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1161 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive Etzel - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 1126 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1323 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1189 Views
darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1315 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1337 Views
not ballsy, just psycho darius_sedai - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1324 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1186 Views
I think she's a weak villain darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1162 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1266 Views
and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM 1297 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1258 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... Shishka - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1278 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1398 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... Gher - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1228 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* Gher - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 650 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1375 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. Gher - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1297 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. FanEditor10 - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1328 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence DomA - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1326 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense Lordling - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1283 Views
Interesting *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 737 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense DomA - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1502 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... Shishka - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1221 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding Lordling - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1316 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... DomA - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1468 Views
And Dragon translations... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1391 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1258 Views
Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"? Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM 1184 Views
It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM 1236 Views
Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM 1226 Views
like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears" darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM 1085 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon DomA - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1467 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 700 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... Shannow - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1494 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 537 Views
Lizard? *NM* Gher - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 714 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 632 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 1039 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7470 Views
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