Of course I come back to it, because it's the worst point ever. It's like saying which Nazi generals were the best based on their charity before WW2.
If 5 of the top 6 Nazi generals had this in common it would be noteworthy.
I really don't see how this is a point against her. Personally if someone called me 'Betrayer of Hope' I'd tell them to piss off and rename myself Zeus. LOL
It alludes to her not being as impressive as the others in the eyes of the people who gave those names in the first place! In the AoL actions earned the "honorific" ... clearly other FS were seen as worse than she was.
It points to a person who needs the recognition but isn't capable of earning it. Odds are the lightside AS gave out those names, and Mierin wasn't on the list of cool kids and to prove she was a big baddie she gave herself a name. I'm certain that not every single AS that went over to the DO was given a scorn name, only the worst of the worst.
Which is exactly why you can't say that Lanfear is a lesser Forsaken. What we know of the War of Power is scanty and murky, with only a few details.
I'm saying she's a weak character/villain. RJ made more mistakes with her IMO than with many of the others.
I don't deny that Lanfear isn't the best in TAR, but she claimed it as her own. I really don't see once again how this is relevant.
Again, she had to claim it as hers ... which is as empty a claim as LTT being styled "The Lord of the Morning" ... especially since she's not even the best!
Depends how you look at it.
Do enlighten me ... where in the text do we see Lanfear accomplish anything? She's a glorified stalker from tGH-tFoH!!
Dude, no Forsaken achieved anything (except perhaps Graendal). They're all toast.
So you don't think the Seanchan Empire in chaos is an accomplishment? Or Taim in the BT (one of the FS is behind that), or the BA accounting for nearly 1/4 of all AS?
Which is exactly what RJ did do. He showed that Moghedien could be as cruel as Semirhage in her handling of Liandrin, and he showed that Rahvin was very proficient at Compulsion.
But you confuse Graendal and Semirhage's true strength! Others aspire to be as manipulative as Graendal or as cruel as Semrihage and fall short. Every single one of the Chosen uses TAR for whatever purpose they need and not a single one of them has ever said "you make me wish I was Lanfear" ... the thing is Lanfear's defining characteristic was being obsessed with LTT. Sure Demandred and Sammael had their versions of that same thing, but neither of them allowed it to consume everything else they were doing to pursue it.
Do you mean when Graendal compelled she and Moghedien? They were told not to attack Graendal. They just stood there waiting for SH.
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That was a lie, but a very believable one, so it came as a shock when Moghedien suddenly channeled and every lamp in the room went out, plunging them into darkness.
wanna rethink that last thought? Why plunge the room into darkness and start channeling if SH was just gonna show up?
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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- 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM
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Yeah...
- 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM
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Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand...
- 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM
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Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames?
- 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM
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Nice ideas!
- 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM
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The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten
- 17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM
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Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten
- 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM
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Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle
- 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM
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Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use
- 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM
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I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation
- 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM
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it's the other way around...
- 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM
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good point
- 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM
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Re: good point
- 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM
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Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name
- 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM
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What about Cyndane
- 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM
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- 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM
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It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned
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- 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM
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- 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM
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Well she earned Mierin
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- 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM
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how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her
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- 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM
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she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha
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- 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM
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HA! But technically I think her mother earned that
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- 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM
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- 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM
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Re: good point
- 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM
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Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive
- 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM
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I disagree
- 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM
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Personally I think that order was off the cuff
- 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM
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Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff
- 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM
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Disagree
- 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM
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Re: Disagree
- 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM
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I'm not being very clear
- 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM
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Re: I'm not being very clear
- 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM
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- 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM
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- 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM
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The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown.
- 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM
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The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive
- 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM
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I don't see that bearing out in the text at all
- 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM
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Like Etzel I don't agree
- 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM
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I think she's a weak villain
- 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM
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Re: I think she's a weak villain
- 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM
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and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos
- 17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM
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Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations
- 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM
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Regarding "Demandred" ...
- 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM
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I always thought it was a coincidence
- 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM
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Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence...
- 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM
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Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence...
- 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM
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Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense
- 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM
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Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense
- 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM
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And Dragon translations...
- 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM
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Re: And Dragon translations...
- 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM
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Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"?
- 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM
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It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning
- 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM
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Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand
- 18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM
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like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears"
- 18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM
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But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon
- 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM
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If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too...
- 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM
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"Dragon Wannabe"
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- 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM
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- 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM
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Lizard? *NM*
- 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM
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"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride
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- 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM
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- 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM
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It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words...
- 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM
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