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It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM
If we take "siswai'aman" as meaning "Spears of the Dragon", we have a conclusion that there is an Old Tongue word for "Dragon", which is peculiar because "Dragon" is a word without meaning for Third Age people, aside from the title of Lews Therin Telamon, who would have obviously borne that title in the Old Tongue. So really, shouldn't "Dragon" already be the Old Tongue word for Dragon? Whence comes this 'aman' then?

Funny too, because I seem to remember that in order to dodge the use of the word "Dragon", dragonflies are called lacewings in The Wheel of Time.


Maybe "aman" is a word that is closer to "fictional creature"? Nothing that says "aman" was a word used specifically to mean Dragon.


specifically "Dragon" ... point is it may just be one of those terms that is translated as Dragon. If Rand was the "Unicorn Reborn" maybe they would still be siswai'aman is what I'm getting at
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Forsaken translations Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:16:36 AM 2623 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 17/06/2010 09:31:15 AM 1879 Views
Semirhage is named as "The Lady of Pain" in KoD, by Rand... Shannow - 17/06/2010 11:14:56 AM 2240 Views
You are right... Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:31:05 AM 1780 Views
Do Semirhage & Bel'al actually mean those things or are they other nicknames? Cannoli - 17/06/2010 11:38:18 AM 1716 Views
On Be'lal Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:42:31 AM 1564 Views
Nice ideas! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:10:43 PM 1691 Views
The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:48:19 PM 1456 Views
Re: The beauty of a re-read is that there are so many little gems I'd forgotten Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:43:48 PM 1619 Views
Gai'shain = those sworn to peace in battle Great Lord of Chaos - 17/06/2010 09:22:02 PM 1517 Views
Gaidin = Brother to Battle ... which is what I think the OP meant to use darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:32:20 PM 1476 Views
Presumably he meant "Dai Shan", or "Battle Lord", as he said. Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:37:07 PM 1536 Views
or that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:45:49 PM 877 Views
About Aginor Ishamael - 17/06/2010 12:50:04 PM 1993 Views
Great! Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:11:47 PM 1669 Views
Some Old Tongue translations sylph - 17/06/2010 01:34:18 PM 1573 Views
ah Thanks! *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 02:12:00 PM 863 Views
Good luck with that DomA - 17/06/2010 02:36:36 PM 1651 Views
Re: Good luck with that Cynewulf - 17/06/2010 03:24:52 PM 1469 Views
Very interesting! Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:34:36 PM 1627 Views
As always, KOuellette - 20/06/2010 02:25:07 PM 1450 Views
I always thought Lanfear probably translated to something closer to a Moon translation darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 02:43:04 PM 1787 Views
it's the other way around... DomA - 17/06/2010 02:58:33 PM 1523 Views
good point darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 03:13:17 PM 1508 Views
Re: good point DomA - 17/06/2010 04:05:50 PM 1564 Views
Not to mention she STILL hasn't earned a 3rd (or in 4th) name darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 04:16:57 PM 1539 Views
What about Cyndane Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:48:03 PM 1440 Views
It must be her favorite one, since it's the only one she actually earned *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 793 Views
Well she earned Mierin *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:27:05 PM 909 Views
how so? I figured mom and dad gave that one too her *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 816 Views
she earned it by being born... ha! gotcha *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:39:10 PM 781 Views
HA! But technically I think her mother earned that *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:30 PM 705 Views
well she earned Eronaile by virtue of her genetics *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:04:36 PM 786 Views
Tee hee ... I'd credit her father on that one *NM* darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:31:19 PM 829 Views
Re: good point Sidious - 17/06/2010 04:47:01 PM 1609 Views
Again, a self-proclaimed ownership aimed at making her seem more impressive darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:55:12 PM 1528 Views
I disagree Etzel - 17/06/2010 06:20:08 PM 1578 Views
Personally I think that order was off the cuff darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:55:28 PM 1699 Views
Re: Personally I think that order was off the cuff Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:02:06 PM 1647 Views
Disagree darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:28:51 PM 1562 Views
Re: Disagree Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:41:23 PM 1519 Views
I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:14:10 PM 1528 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 08:06:56 AM 3992 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 03:33:12 PM 1534 Views
Re: I'm not being very clear Sidious - 18/06/2010 04:35:12 PM 1398 Views
The point isn't if Lanfear has the skill, it's that it was poorly shown. darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:31:11 PM 1557 Views
I think it's shown well Sidious - 18/06/2010 06:10:55 PM 1715 Views
your own examples show only OP prowess though! darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:54:38 PM 1652 Views
How can you say Semirhage didn't achieve anything? Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 01:59:44 AM 1585 Views
I'm partial to Sammael myself. Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 02:24:49 AM 1415 Views
The statement makes clear that those 6 were all quite impressive Etzel - 17/06/2010 10:51:49 PM 1345 Views
I don't see that bearing out in the text at all darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:57:36 PM 1552 Views
Well, with this point I don't disagree.. *NM* Etzel - 17/06/2010 11:10:34 PM 1453 Views
darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:12:58 PM 1583 Views
Lanfear's motives were never Shadow-driven FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 06:47:22 PM 1598 Views
not ballsy, just psycho darius_sedai - 20/06/2010 07:25:46 PM 1546 Views
Like Etzel I don't agree Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:30:37 PM 1453 Views
I think she's a weak villain darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:58:01 PM 1409 Views
Re: I think she's a weak villain Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:03:47 PM 1511 Views
and slaughter the Seanchan empress on her own throne thowing the empire into chaos darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 09:30:27 PM 1556 Views
Semirhage has done more than anyone since Ishy destroyed the Ten Nations Rurouni_Kenshin - 18/06/2010 02:06:30 AM 1516 Views
Regarding "Demandred" ... Shishka - 17/06/2010 04:51:43 PM 1538 Views
I always thought it was a coincidence Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:32:39 PM 1673 Views
Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... Gher - 18/06/2010 12:19:58 AM 1506 Views
Wow. I'm not quite sure where this came from... *NM* Gher - 18/06/2010 05:24:25 PM 765 Views
Re: Lan/Lanfear isn't a coincidence... FanEditor10 - 20/06/2010 07:01:55 PM 1599 Views
No, it was supposed to be a joke. Gher - 20/06/2010 07:23:19 PM 1549 Views
Re: No, it was supposed to be a joke. FanEditor10 - 21/06/2010 06:36:44 AM 1549 Views
Re: I always thought it was a coincidence DomA - 18/06/2010 05:20:11 PM 1570 Views
Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense Lordling - 17/06/2010 06:00:35 PM 1567 Views
Interesting *NM* Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:33:03 PM 865 Views
Re: Perhaps Lan-fear meaning Night-Daughter would make more sense DomA - 18/06/2010 04:23:38 PM 1769 Views
Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... Shishka - 18/06/2010 05:28:41 PM 1449 Views
We also have din in Mera'din/Brotherless and far in Far Madding Lordling - 18/06/2010 08:16:14 PM 1557 Views
Re: Regarding "Far Dareis Mai" ... DomA - 20/06/2010 03:56:38 AM 1735 Views
And Dragon translations... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:53:02 PM 1673 Views
Re: And Dragon translations... darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 11:01:25 PM 1483 Views
Why would they call themselves "Spears of the fictional creature"? Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 12:29:49 AM 1431 Views
It was meant as a joke, but really it could be some generic term rather than meaning darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:00:36 AM 1495 Views
Except that they don't know what a 'Dragon' is, except as it relates to Lews Therin/Rand Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 05:11:30 PM 1476 Views
like I said, I was just making a joke of it ... you are quite right with "Rand's Spears" darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 05:32:42 PM 1300 Views
But of course the NT word for Dragon isn't Dragon DomA - 18/06/2010 05:45:34 PM 1712 Views
Ah yes, that sounds reasonable. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/06/2010 08:28:54 PM 819 Views
If "aman" is the Old Tongue name for Dragon, maybe "DEMANdred" contains a reference to Dragon too... Shannow - 20/06/2010 08:13:35 PM 1727 Views
"Dragon Wannabe" *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 20/06/2010 09:23:09 PM 667 Views
Lizard? *NM* Gher - 20/06/2010 10:04:21 PM 859 Views
"Scaled Worm"... though I doubt he'd take that name up in pride . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/06/2010 01:23:03 AM 751 Views
It's probably too much to attempt to guess at the meanings of words... Fanatic-Templar - 17/06/2010 10:58:06 PM 1287 Views
A nice article about the Old Tongue and my ramblings Lordling - 18/06/2010 11:14:24 AM 7713 Views
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