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Re: After reading through the back and forth, I am convinced of this: DomA Send a noteboard - 27/06/2010 06:20:32 PM
The Bore is either an effect of or is itself a weave of the One Power. I am not sure which, because the normal ideas of how the One Power work get murky when considering it is applied to the edges of the Pattern.

After all, what does it mean for there to be a thinness in the Pattern? Does it mean that the Pattern did not exist quite as much as it should? Does it mean that the barriers giving it its shape were failing?

So what does it mean to drill? Does it mean that you get rid of some piece(s) of the Pattern? Does it mean you make a gateway from the inside to the outside?

And how could the Bore have been intended to be small (a finger hole in a prison wall) if it would have a global/universal effect?



I propose that the Bore is not at any specific location in the Pattern because when we talk about location we are talking about three dimensions of space. But the Bore must be something involving other aspects of the Pattern, not space. Other dimensions of existence, perhaps, or something else more abstract.

But this allows for the Bore to be, as I said, either an effect of or an actual weave of the One Power. The weave used to create the Bore could have been localized, though localized not in 3D but some other dimension. This should be possible as the AoL Aes Sedai had dealings with the Finns and Ogier that showed familiarity with extradimensional One Power science.

So I would say the Bore is somewhere specific, just not anywhere in space.


They sensed another source of Power beyond the Pattern through a thinness in the it.

I think with whatever they did at the Collam Daan (nowhere near SG), they intended to remove the barrier surrounding the Pattern that prevented access to that new Source. They succeeded. The Bore is both at SG and everywhere. It's not just a matter of plugging the Pit of Doom, they have to "rebuild" the layer that isolates Creation from "Shai'tan's prison".

There may well be be a connection to Tel'aran'rhiod. According to Verin's schematic (probably oversimplified, but still), tel'aran'rhiod is the layer that binds all the worlds/dimensions. That the drilling occured through/in TAR would explain how they could do this from the Collam Daan and end up with a physical manifestation of the bore somewhere remote from there.
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How can Rand repair the bore? More importantly, what forms the boundary of the Wheel itself? - 25/06/2010 01:00:35 AM 1889 Views
Re: How can Rand repair the bore? More importantly, what forms the boundary of the Wheel itself? - 25/06/2010 04:18:42 AM 1100 Views
.. *NM* - 25/06/2010 05:38:14 AM 556 Views
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My idea - 25/06/2010 09:37:32 AM 1059 Views
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Pretty good thought about the conduit-comparison! - 26/06/2010 07:34:16 AM 986 Views
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The very name "Bore"... - 26/06/2010 07:25:22 AM 1037 Views
Actually I think he pretty much backed DomA's opinion - 26/06/2010 08:30:42 AM 943 Views
Well, as said, I disagree. - 26/06/2010 08:43:40 AM 1015 Views
Well here's what I think - 26/06/2010 11:18:33 AM 1248 Views
Look... - 26/06/2010 11:43:25 AM 973 Views
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That's wrong... - 26/06/2010 01:26:25 PM 1181 Views
You're ignoring basic facts - 26/06/2010 02:44:38 PM 1013 Views
Again... - 26/06/2010 02:53:05 PM 1084 Views
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Yeah.... - 26/06/2010 04:54:50 PM 1062 Views
It's absurd. Your idea is clearly wrong, but ok... *NM* - 26/06/2010 05:00:43 PM 954 Views
After reading through the back and forth, I am convinced of this: - 26/06/2010 05:33:21 PM 1146 Views
Re: After reading through the back and forth, I am convinced of this: - 27/06/2010 06:20:32 PM 1231 Views
Could the Bore have been drilled using balefire? - 02/07/2010 12:07:33 AM 990 Views
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Re: How can Rand repair the bore? - 25/06/2010 03:37:25 PM 888 Views
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I tend to agree with you - 25/06/2010 05:53:53 PM 1044 Views
Maybe they can plug the Bore with garbage like British Petroleum. *NM* - 25/06/2010 05:43:41 PM 536 Views
Re: How can Rand repair the bore? More importantly, what forms the boundary of the Wheel itself? - 25/06/2010 05:59:38 PM 1223 Views
Re: How can Rand repair the bore? More importantly, what forms the boundary of the Wheel itself? - 25/06/2010 06:55:28 PM 1022 Views
me too ! - 25/06/2010 10:34:41 PM 1011 Views
Ah, thanks to both of you - 26/06/2010 12:38:14 AM 1203 Views
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You mix up - 27/06/2010 06:31:27 PM 930 Views
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duct tape *NM* - 26/06/2010 11:17:54 AM 481 Views
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Maybe saidar and saidin, woven together properly, form something else? - 01/07/2010 11:50:40 PM 949 Views

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