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Would that work, I wonder? Joel Send a noteboard - 29/06/2010 11:24:42 AM
Could the Shadows goals reasonably fall under the category of "need"? Perhaps if a Darkfriend were facing a severe and certain penalty for failing in a particular task that might be an option (and that might be the case here) but in cases where someone nearly WANTS personal advancement I wouldn't think so, and if searching with need involves the Pattern I wouldn't expect the Pattern to aid its own destruction (which, at least according to Ishamael, has finally been established as the DOs goal. ) Though I personally think you're being deliberately silly here (if not, my apologies. )
EDIT: Also, articles and the like are capitalized when they are the first word of a title, so: "ACoS" and "TGS" (not "aCoS" and "tGS. " ) Sorry to be nitpicky, but it's been bugging me for a while.

They aren't proper abbreviations, and some leave them out altogether. I lowercase them to prevent them from distracting people and making them take another second to figure out which book I am referring to. I seldom think about the articles in the titles and only acknowledge them to be precise. If we're going to be persnickity about grammer rules, shouldn't the abbreviations be punctuated?

They should, yes, but I've given up on that since it seems pretty common on the internet to omit abbreviations. Not just on the internet or recently either; when's the last time you saw someone write "C.I.A." or "I.R.S."? Conceding that point does not, however, mean I'm willing to surrender completely, and while people routinely omit articles and common prepositions in acronyms and abbreviations, IF we're going to use them we should use them correctly. Which incidentally means it should be "SCotUS" not "SCOTUS" but I don't expect to win that argument.
As for the real issue, it doesn't seem that hard to figure out. IIRC, she kept them in her room. You go into her room, find the likely hiding places for a bulky collar & bracelet set-up, and it should be fairly quick. I think her protections were basically like a safe, rather than a hiding place. Protect it so well it doesn't matter if they can find it. In this case, Semirhage was equal to the task of cracking the safe.

I disagree; the section where she takes the Wise Ones to see it makes clear that she intentionally provided a much more obvious decoy. It's not like everything of value was in that one non-descript box: The adam and the Choedan Kal access key, nothing else. Also, when Rand confronts her with the box later there's nothing else present: It wasn't that someone tore her room apart until they found the adam, they knew exactly where to go to get exactly what they wanted, and did. That means they knew where it was already, and that was hardly common knowledge.
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So, Is Bair a Darkfriend, or Sorilea? - 27/06/2010 09:19:22 AM 3886 Views
Maybe they found it with need? - 27/06/2010 11:28:44 AM 1214 Views
But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. - 27/06/2010 01:18:52 PM 1493 Views
I brought up the potential for Sorilea in the past - 27/06/2010 03:02:51 PM 1308 Views
Another good point. - 29/06/2010 11:43:11 AM 1268 Views
A good point. - 29/06/2010 11:38:51 AM 1058 Views
Re: But Semirhage didn't find it. Elsa did, or SH. - 29/06/2010 09:36:03 PM 1244 Views
yeah, Verin Compelled all the captive AS in the Aiel camp - 29/06/2010 09:41:33 PM 1320 Views
Would that work, I wonder? - 29/06/2010 11:24:42 AM 1147 Views
Re: Maybe they found it with need? - 08/07/2010 07:18:04 AM 940 Views
What if it was Shadar Haran that found it? - 27/06/2010 05:01:52 PM 1174 Views
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Re: I think the chance of that is zero - 28/06/2010 06:50:57 PM 1146 Views
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Physical limitations make sense, BUT...: - 29/06/2010 12:30:33 PM 1126 Views
It seems... - 29/06/2010 01:30:17 PM 1060 Views
Re: It seems... - 29/06/2010 06:45:19 PM 1050 Views
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That's a good observation - 29/06/2010 08:36:24 PM 1054 Views
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Some thoughts - 30/06/2010 12:15:25 PM 956 Views
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It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. - 29/06/2010 12:23:42 PM 1051 Views
Re: It doesn't appear that anything else in her room was searched. - 29/06/2010 06:12:14 PM 1141 Views
About use of the TP - 29/06/2010 08:59:47 PM 1155 Views
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Re: "Helping" can be a very subjective term. - 29/06/2010 06:31:11 PM 828 Views
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Re: I like the Melaine theory, but a pregnant WO DF? RJ likes to punish his bad guys too much - 08/07/2010 02:20:32 PM 1150 Views
you are likley correct - 08/07/2010 03:09:33 PM 932 Views
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