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Difficult to say. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 01/07/2010 05:09:46 AM
I think I disagree with both of you here. It's not fanatical at all, but I think on some level, the candidates know that it's all fake, and that it's giving in or giving up to stick around. I don't understand Sidious' or Sheriam's strong feelings on the matter though. I can see scorning them a bit, maybe, but such hatred and anger? I don't really get it.


What exactly does "on some level, the candidates know that it's all fake" mean? Intuition? Instinct? If I'm going to forsake my responsibilities, I very much better have a solid reason for doing so, and "my gut told me to" does not satisfy that requirement. My gut is quite competent at digestion, but I would not trust it to resolve a dilemma (to the extent that this could be considered a dilemma at all).


And I agree. If it's just a faint "something's off" feeling, then it's highly irresponsible to leave.


But I think it's more like a dream, probably a very-slightly-lucid dream. Would you wake up from a dream if you knew it was important?


I don't remember any of my dreams, I can't really say how it feels to be dreaming. This said, from our perspective within the books, both Nynaeve and Egwene seemed quite convinced that what they were experiencing was real. 'Course, Egwene's case was different, she maintained some of her memories because of the ter'angreal reaction.

Now, you say "would you wake up from a dream if you knew it was important", and the answer is probably yes, but in order to wake up from that dream you have to fail to do something important... what would you trust? Sensory input and memories, or 'a feeling'? This is why I believe the test to be stupid. Participants are not choosing between reality and a dream, they know there is a choice to be made, but they have no knowledge of what is at stake.
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I think the Amayar are the stupidest people ever Lordling - 30/06/2010 08:52:45 PM 2312 Views
It's the Jones Town massacre darius_sedai - 30/06/2010 09:33:42 PM 944 Views
Re: It's the Jones Town massacre orius - 03/07/2010 09:27:35 AM 902 Views
yeah, I despise fanatics of any type Sidious - 30/06/2010 09:44:08 PM 1080 Views
Can't agree with all of those. Fanatic-Templar - 30/06/2010 10:58:25 PM 1048 Views
Yeah, I disagree too... Gher - 01/07/2010 02:28:13 AM 1024 Views
Re: Yeah, I disagree too... Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 03:20:30 AM 855 Views
I'm not sure. Gher - 01/07/2010 03:45:44 AM 950 Views
Difficult to say. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 05:09:46 AM 926 Views
Curse you, I had to go look up Nynaeve's Testing. Gher - 01/07/2010 06:20:06 PM 953 Views
Nope, still can't agree. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:40:25 PM 854 Views
I'm not going to argue that it's a good test Gher - 01/07/2010 08:51:31 PM 807 Views
Re: I'm not going to argue that it's a good test Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:26:24 PM 881 Views
IMO, they do. Gher - 02/07/2010 12:22:41 AM 846 Views
Okay different angle, Fanatic-Templar - 02/07/2010 12:27:57 AM 740 Views
Re: Okay different angle, Gher - 03/07/2010 08:29:09 PM 848 Views
Re: Okay different angle, Fanatic-Templar - 03/07/2010 09:28:20 PM 748 Views
You really don't remember your dreams very often? Gher - 03/07/2010 11:41:57 PM 841 Views
Haven't since I was a wee little kid. Fanatic-Templar - 04/07/2010 12:54:11 AM 933 Views
Re: Haven't since I was a wee little kid. Gher - 05/07/2010 06:02:24 AM 774 Views
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Chipping in... fionwe1987 - 04/07/2010 01:11:26 AM 831 Views
Re: Chipping in... Fanatic-Templar - 04/07/2010 02:44:21 AM 941 Views
Re: Chipping in... fionwe1987 - 05/07/2010 09:16:51 AM 948 Views
You may be right. Fanatic-Templar - 05/07/2010 05:53:21 PM 850 Views
Fair enough Sidious - 01/07/2010 08:53:05 AM 1068 Views
Owyn helped his village? Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 11:23:37 AM 879 Views
Yeah Sidious - 01/07/2010 12:31:03 PM 906 Views
Easier than you think Rurouni_Kenshin - 01/07/2010 12:42:39 PM 800 Views
Yes, I suppose they could. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:16:38 PM 928 Views
Human beings have a pretty large capacity for "stupid" behavior RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/06/2010 09:47:27 PM 865 Views
I'm certain that RJ based it off of something in real life darius_sedai - 30/06/2010 10:30:06 PM 858 Views
Re: I'm certain that RJ based it off of something in real life DomA - 01/07/2010 01:39:50 AM 960 Views
and those crazy comet people in San Diego in the late 90's too! darius_sedai - 01/07/2010 03:49:59 PM 866 Views
Perhaps. krassos - 30/06/2010 10:23:42 PM 860 Views
IMO that makes them even worse! darius_sedai - 30/06/2010 10:33:03 PM 807 Views
Considering that their system of belief... krassos - 30/06/2010 11:55:12 PM 785 Views
But they could have played a part Singing, just like the Tinkers to which they're related may do *NM* Lordling - 01/07/2010 09:08:46 AM 431 Views
Because their feeble ability to sing to crops would really come in handy. krassos - 01/07/2010 05:43:03 PM 948 Views
There are other SOngs than seed-singing. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:26:54 PM 865 Views
Even if there are. They've been lost. And humanity has lost that Talent. krassos - 01/07/2010 10:28:30 PM 728 Views
Only second-hand. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:49:58 PM 1005 Views
the Tinkers will at least make themselves useful as we saw in the BoEF darius_sedai - 01/07/2010 03:49:08 PM 805 Views
The Tinkers are also on the mainland... krassos - 01/07/2010 05:36:40 PM 718 Views
to be fair, if I were an Amayar I would try to respawn as well *NM* BlackAdder - 01/07/2010 04:29:02 AM 818 Views
Take it from a lazy person's PoV: KOuellette - 01/07/2010 10:51:07 AM 900 Views
LOL *NM* darius_sedai - 01/07/2010 03:53:31 PM 375 Views
You know... Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:42:41 PM 826 Views
But something of you still contiunes on. krassos - 01/07/2010 10:30:12 PM 763 Views
Indeed Sidious - 01/07/2010 10:37:03 PM 759 Views
None of the Forsaken will pay for their crimes? Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:54:30 PM 796 Views
Re: None of the Forsaken will pay for their crimes? Sidious - 02/07/2010 12:01:35 AM 730 Views
Well, yes, but that's only temporary . Fanatic-Templar - 02/07/2010 12:27:07 AM 910 Views
From my perspective, that is meaningless. Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 10:52:22 PM 725 Views
Given how often Prophecies are right in that world... Gher - 01/07/2010 02:33:21 AM 797 Views
They should work to ensure there's a place to be reborn in. Lohikaarme - 01/07/2010 08:10:46 PM 711 Views
Yeah, pretty crazy Etzel - 01/07/2010 01:17:33 PM 816 Views
Why? Nolan - 01/07/2010 03:20:36 PM 787 Views
Presumably, Fanatic-Templar - 01/07/2010 06:45:02 PM 834 Views
Clear something up for me. Palatine - 01/07/2010 06:33:07 PM 854 Views
They aren't. krassos - 01/07/2010 10:35:38 PM 739 Views
Re: They aren't. lyringlas - 06/07/2010 03:42:40 PM 760 Views
The Amayar suck, but people believe crazy things newyorkersedai - 01/07/2010 09:22:45 PM 962 Views
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