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I think this won't work for one reason. Logain Send a noteboard - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM
The Binders work on channelers by using their connection to the Source to lay down the Compulsion. This is why it is not only symbolic but necessary for there to be one channeler to operate the Binder and another channeler to agree to be Bound. This is also why Binders do not work on non-channeling criminals, with other ter'angreal, such as the Chair of Remorse, or a Compulsion weave, being used for such purposes.

If Mesaana was in a Link, the Compulsion might very well be negated because her access to the Power was being provided from other connections.

In this case, by the time Egwene had ordered that every Aes Sedai re-swear the Oaths, we were told that all the Black Ajah members had fled, and only a few were captured in comparison to the amount captured in the Rebel camp. It seems to me that this piece of information is very important, because it indicated not only that the Black Ajah figured out what Egwene was going to do, but also they had time to coordinate and plan.

Perhaps Mesaana ordered one or more Black Ajah Sisters into a Link and by this, she escaped being bound because Compulsion would not work on a channeler that was Linked with others?

An example would be a Shield. A Shield usually doesn't work when wielded by one channeler against a Circle because the Shielder would need to be strong enough to cut off all the members of the Circle at once, which is hard to do (in fact, we've never seen this happen - all we've seen was Rand attack a Shield that had held him by destroying tied off points). Perhaps Compulsion works the same way.

We also know that the distance a channeler can Travel before their Link beings to attenuate and weaken is quite considerable - the Black Ajah Aes Sedai could have been hundreds of miles away from Tar Valon and still contribute to Mesaana's Circle.

Strengthening piece of trivia: We are also told that holding the Power gives you increased protection from Compulsion. If you were to increase your power level by a significant amount, you could make yourself immune to another channelers' Compulsion weave unless they themselves used a Circle, angreal or sa'angreal to significantly boost the strength of their weave. By Linking to 12 other Black Ajah Sisters and keeping the amount of Power she held negligible enough to pass, Mesaana might have made herself too powerful to be Bound by all but the strongest Aes Sedai currently living in a Circle directed against her.


Mesaana would need to be the leader of the circle. If she ever let the power go the shield would disappear and her protection with it. Thus, she would have to enter the room with the glow around her, never let go of the power, take the oaths (or appear to take them) and then leave the room still enveloped by the glow around her.

Maybe there is a tricky way of inverting weaves to make it look like she wasn't holding the power when she entered the room, then letting the inverted wwave dissipate to make it look like she was now holding the power, then swearing the oaths, and then reapplying the inverted weave to make it look like she had let go of saidar, or even letting the circle dissipate after that point. That seems like it might work, but seems like a big risk. I mean, what if her ruse doesn't work and she gets captured. Then what?
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I agree with Deadsy... - 17/07/2010 11:32:09 AM 1241 Views
could be - 17/07/2010 04:39:10 PM 1110 Views
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Another AS does the channeling according to NS - 17/07/2010 10:02:32 PM 1229 Views
And the Shaido "Wise Ones" channeled for Galina. *NM* - 18/07/2010 01:58:49 AM 638 Views
As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 17/07/2010 06:42:38 PM 1192 Views
That's an interesting theory - 18/07/2010 02:01:23 AM 1140 Views
Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 1098 Views
Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 02:30:04 PM 993 Views
Re: Good point. We're asking the wrong questions entirely. - 20/07/2010 05:59:07 PM 1036 Views
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Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 06:02:40 PM 1054 Views
Re: "Mesanna did have oathes, just not the 3 AS ones". No she didn't - 20/07/2010 07:26:20 PM 1045 Views
Re: How did Mesaana beat the Oath Rod? - 18/07/2010 04:46:23 PM 995 Views
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Re: Is the Verin thing widely known? - 20/07/2010 11:55:35 PM 1073 Views
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Everything you said but this... - 20/07/2010 01:25:34 AM 1116 Views
Or she didn't swear on it, because she's a servant. - 18/07/2010 11:05:08 PM 1119 Views
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Interesting idea, I think this might work. *NM* - 20/07/2010 02:33:04 PM 559 Views
Re: What about Compulsion on herself? - 20/07/2010 06:07:53 PM 936 Views
Yeah I realize what I presented was kinda the opposite of what I was going for. - 20/07/2010 02:15:46 AM 1057 Views
I just thought of the most obvious way around it. - 20/07/2010 06:17:34 PM 1135 Views
I actually like this idea. - 20/07/2010 07:40:56 PM 1066 Views
I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 07:44:49 PM 1219 Views
Re: I think this won't work for one reason. - 20/07/2010 08:51:15 PM 976 Views
Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 08:03:52 PM 1052 Views
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this is also possible - 20/07/2010 09:17:36 PM 1064 Views
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Re: Wouldn't work - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM 1420 Views
I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:22:51 PM 1014 Views
Re: I think the OR is tied to a channelers connection to the OP and nothing else - 20/07/2010 09:44:12 PM 1090 Views
Off-topic question: - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 955 Views
What about immortality? - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 960 Views
Depends on how she is immortal. - 21/07/2010 09:09:49 PM 945 Views

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