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I don't think so Sidious Send a noteboard - 20/07/2010 09:05:58 PM

We don't know that's how the binder works. It's most likely it doesn't work like that. There's a binder for channelers and a binder for non-channelers and personally I think it has to do with physical differences, namely that channelers have different brains, or at least, their minds become altered when they're teenagers and exposed to the Source for the first time.

You don't even need to hold the Source to be bound... someone else can channel Spirit into the rod, so long as you touch it. A link would be just as useless, and even worse, the Sisters around would definitely notice. Mesaana would never trust her fate to the treacherous Black Ajah anyway... Liandrin was a murderous sneak at the best of times around Moghedien.


I don't think it is really about different brains as much as it is the same vulnerability that allows 1. The a'dam / The Domination Band; 2. Linking; 3. 13/13 Circle turning to the Dark. That is, I think the ability to channel allows one's spirit/mind to be opened to (and therefore vulnerable to) possession by outside spiritual forces (whether it is merging or domination produced by a direct link) or the possibility of being turned to the dark. This is not the same as rewiring the brain like in compulsion, which works equally well on channelers and non-channelers despite their "different brains." Rather, the Binders, a'dam, and 13/13 Circles all work around linking abilities. You also don't need to embrace the Source to be bound by an a'dam or controlled by a domination band and presumably the 13/13 circles wouldn't work if one only had to resist touching the Source to escape its powers. I also believe that the Warder bonds work more like a link and like the OR. This is another bond/binding that can be used to control others. Just look at Logain's control over the AS he bonded. It is absolute like the OR, not a matter of controlling consciousness like compulsion.


If someone put an a'dam on her ... she and the rest in the circle could very well be killed or stilled by such an action


The a'dam is a forced circle. It only kills a man and woman who try to use it because it forces a woman to lead a mixed circle of two, which is impossible.

My guess is that if the leader of a circle is collared, the leading of the circle is passed to the sul'dam and she will command the entire circle. I'd go as far to say that the a'dam is so powerful that if the sul'dam collared any woman in the circle, she would suddenly become the leader. Death might occur if sul'dam try to collar more than one woman and create a leader discrepancy.
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Re: As mentioned above, your theory is not about defeating Oath Rod. - 20/07/2010 02:02:05 PM 1056 Views
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Yeah I realize what I presented was kinda the opposite of what I was going for. - 20/07/2010 02:15:46 AM 1012 Views
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Off-topic question: - 21/07/2010 09:07:12 PM 916 Views
What about immortality? - 20/07/2010 08:03:21 PM 906 Views
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