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Re: Wouldn't work RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 20/07/2010 09:11:50 PM
We don't know that's how the binder works. It's most likely it doesn't work like that. There's a binder for channelers and a binder for non-channelers and personally I think it has to do with physical differences, namely that channelers have different brains, or at least, their minds become altered when they're teenagers and exposed to the Source for the first time.


Either the Binder works on the soul or the connection to the Power. Either way, the most important thing is the outcome - the skin is tightened and an effect very similar to (a literally skin deep) powerful Compulsion is laid on the channeler. As I noted, being a channeler and holding the Power already protects you from certain things, such as Compulsion, aging and illnesses, while a non-channeler is afflicted with these ailments. Even if we don't know how or why this is the case, all we need to know is that the Binder requires some element present in channelers but not non-channelers to work. You can swap in connection to the Source, channeling soul or brain difference as needed, but the inherent logic remains the same.

If the Binder did work on the soul, perhaps Mesaana is protected because hers is given to the Dark One or perhaps she made a mindtrap for herself to house her soul temporarily.

You don't even need to hold the Source to be bound... someone else can channel Spirit into the rod, so long as you touch it. A link would be just as useless, and even worse, the Sisters around would definitely notice. Mesaana would never trust her fate to the treacherous Black Ajah anyway... Liandrin was a murderous sneak at the best of times around Moghedien.


But we already know that there are many channeling abilities that don't require holding the Source, one of which is the manipulation of your link/connection to the Power to escape a Shield. Note I never said Mesaana had to hold the Power while swearing - all I said was that she used the increased capacity of a Link to Shield herself from the full effects of the Binder. She could actually invert her weaves hiding her ability to channel and her hold on the Source appearing as if she didn't touch the Power with noone being the wiser - Egwene knows about inverting weaves and hiding your channeling, but not how to detect if someone else is doing the same.

Mesaana wouldn't need to trust her fate to the Black Ajah - if she was the leader, she would actually have them at her mercy, since it would be up to her when to dissolve the Link. And this fits in with the possible need to defend herself if her subterfuge was discovered - with access to such a Link, she could overwhelm many Sisters during her escape attempt if her plan went awry.
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This message last edited by RugbyPlayingAshaman on 20/07/2010 at 09:17:44 PM
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