I posted this idea on Dragonmount also, but I think it is possible that we see the revival of the Green Man before the end of the Last Battle.
Loial preserved the Green Man as a tree in the middle of the Blight. Rand knows where this tree is. Rand could easily make this tree bear fruit again. Could that fruit be a new Green Man?
Loial preserved the Green Man as a tree in the middle of the Blight. Rand knows where this tree is. Rand could easily make this tree bear fruit again. Could that fruit be a new Green Man?
It sounds fairly unlikely.
RJ answered a few questions about Nym. They weren't born, for one, they are genetic constructs, hybrids from various genetic sources, like for instance a gholam. Your theory rather have the Nym able to reproduce through a fairly twisted(and not all that logical biologically) process: the Nym bears a fruit (an acorn), which becomes an oak, which in turn one day produces tons of acorns that become Nyms. IMO, it's far more likely the Nym were partially made of oak-DNA, and the fruits of a Nym produce.. an oak that probably isn't much different from a normal oak (hybrids don't breed true). Chora trees are another hybrid construct, and we know they are sterile and to get new chora trees you need to make more, or reproduce them by cuttings (which are clones of the source Chora tree, genetically).
It sounds very likely the whole idea of trying to get constructs which can breed is a notion introduced by Aginor for Shai'tan. Constructs which can breed or seed would end up upsetting the ecological balance, and the Aes Sedai would be aware, and cautious about this. Of course, Aginor didn't give a damn about this.
RJ also answered a question about their souls. He said they were constructs, not natural, so they had to "borrow" one from the soul pool (it's part of the process of making them, I guess), but unlike souls "borrowed" for Shadowspawn, who are so tainted they couldn't be reborn again as anything but shadowspawn (so these souls will be in effect "damned" never to be reborn if Shai'tan is defeated and Shadowspawn eradicated.. it also explain what happened in the "if world": each soul stolen for a shadowspawn is deprived of rebirth for good except as shadowspawn. This means with each new generation of shadowspawn, more and more animal and human souls are wasted. In the end, human and animal would have no soul left to be born with, leaving only the Shadowspawn to rule... until they wipe each other out.)
The soul borrowed in the making of a Nym isn't tainted, and the soul can be reborn normally afterward. In other words, there are no such thing as an eternal "Nym soul" always born as a Nym. It sounds like among the constructs it's mainly Trollocs that remain close enough to their genetic stock to be able to "grab" an animal soul at conception. IMO, when the human strain dominates, the "trolloc" grabs a human soul, and is born as a throwback, a myddraal, instead. It seems DH can breed, but they need to steal somehow a wolf soul to breed a new DH. Myddraal are sterile, so are gholam. Sammael spoke of the worms as if those were born/made in the AOL, or aren't a stunted breed (I mean, they have not bred true), which can't go through the full biological process planned for those Aginor had made. Zomoran don't breed, and Sammael spoke of cafar as if they were extinct but some might have been put in stasis. We don't know if Draghkar can breed, but it sounds unlikely.
I think the odds are really good that Nym couldn't breed Nym.
This message last edited by DomA on 04/10/2010 at 11:54:42 PM
Chapter 1 released
01/10/2010 01:40:27 PM
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For the record, it sucks waiting for you people to wake up and read this
01/10/2010 01:50:02 PM
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Not too much new to work with. Is "she" Egwene? Cads? Someone else? *NM*
01/10/2010 02:01:12 PM
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Well damn. Was that Buddha?
01/10/2010 02:36:29 PM
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This blaming Brandon for everything stuff is getting old.
01/10/2010 02:55:04 PM
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I've never blamed BS for anything (expect fucking up Mat's character)
01/10/2010 03:27:36 PM
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BOOOOO I want Sunshine and Rainbows damnit *NM*
01/10/2010 11:04:21 PM
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Poorly written, but I still got goosebumps at Rand's importance finally being demonstrated...
01/10/2010 03:14:48 PM
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"My father’s estates do produce lumber and fine woods, and ice peppers, and furs, and more besides."
01/10/2010 03:27:22 PM
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It's the style. In the Randland context, the word "grows" is more appropriate...
01/10/2010 03:31:22 PM
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did you not read my reply title? That was a quote from The Shadow Rising, same exact context. *NM*
01/10/2010 03:32:23 PM
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Fine. So be it. It still feels wrong to me. *NM*
01/10/2010 03:36:16 PM
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but it's all RJ's fault *NM*
01/10/2010 03:40:14 PM
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Maybe it's in the context of BS's sentences...
01/10/2010 03:44:28 PM
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I feel bad for you. I really do.
01/10/2010 03:54:02 PM
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Yes it does. But it is not conscious. It comes from 15 years of growing up reading Wot..
01/10/2010 03:55:39 PM
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As if the rest of us haven't been reading for just as long.
04/10/2010 05:00:32 PM
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I've been reading the series sinc e EoTW hit bookshelves circa 1990
05/10/2010 11:10:08 PM
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It sounds like Rand is finally growing up
01/10/2010 03:46:54 PM
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He has achieved enlightenment and knows more than everyone else, so he doesn't have to be insecure..
01/10/2010 03:52:23 PM
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I don't agree - I think that what he is going to tell Egwene will be unpleasant for everyone.
01/10/2010 04:07:19 PM
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Why would that upset her?
01/10/2010 04:21:29 PM
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Because I think she was hoping to work with him to solve some of these problems
01/10/2010 04:42:33 PM
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I tend to agree
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The Sickness
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thoughts
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Re: thoughts
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Egwene
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Re: Egwene
04/10/2010 09:44:00 AM
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Nonsense
05/10/2010 03:52:31 AM
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Re: Nonsense
05/10/2010 09:53:06 AM
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seriously! Read what Egwene actually says sometime...
06/10/2010 08:17:15 PM
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Re: seriously! Read what Egwene actually says sometime...
06/10/2010 08:40:39 PM
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want to back that up with an actual quote from Egwene's mouth?
06/10/2010 11:01:09 PM
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Re: want to back that up with an actual quote from Egwene's mouth?
07/10/2010 09:45:21 PM
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Yes, but her comment is far closer to the truth than his!
07/10/2010 10:18:54 PM
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I'd say
08/10/2010 08:30:17 PM
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just like Egwene is 100% correct about AS being compelled
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Re: just like Egwene is 100% correct about AS being compelled
09/10/2010 11:46:54 AM
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And Egwene was the only person to do things like this? Elayne made a huge public show
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Fan...freakin...tastic. Had chills and watery eyes the whole time. This book is going to ROCK. *NM*
01/10/2010 08:18:20 PM
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I am so confused...
01/10/2010 09:45:32 PM
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Re: I am so confused...
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Re: I am so confused...
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That may have been an indirect result of using the TP, rather than a direct one
03/10/2010 03:30:24 AM
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I'm surprised no one has discussed Seanchan yet
01/10/2010 10:20:37 PM
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I believe the murderer is a random noble blamed for killing the royal family *NM*
02/10/2010 01:58:53 AM
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Moridin....
02/10/2010 04:03:34 PM
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I've seen it theorized (before chapter 1 was released) that
02/10/2010 04:39:09 PM
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I don't think...
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Re:TOM Chapter 1 Biblical Parallel
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dammit how am i supposed to read this without reading the prologue first? *NM*
03/10/2010 08:51:58 PM
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The revival of the Green Man?
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Re: The revival of the Green Man?
04/10/2010 11:49:54 PM
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You assume the supply of Souls is finite
05/10/2010 02:49:28 AM
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Yes
05/10/2010 02:08:10 PM
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That doesn't make sense
06/10/2010 04:14:54 AM
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you assume that a soul is tainted forever and not returned to a nutral state upon death.
06/10/2010 06:43:11 AM
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O... you assume I don't know my stuff
06/10/2010 02:35:06 PM
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ARGH! Spoilers! Spoilers! MINE EYES!!!!
14/10/2010 08:52:53 AM
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Or at least not click the threads CLEARLY designated as being about ToM.
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