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Re: Wrong for two reasons malekithe Send a noteboard - 05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM
1. No one will be killed BY the Travelling weave except accidentally if he / she's unlucky or stupid enough to walk into an opening Gateway. That's what the Oath is about.

2. The main idea of the Seanchan is to LEASH the AS, not to kill them. BTW, why were the Salidar AS able to weave a Gateway to Tar Valon to send their ARMY through? According to your reasoning, this shouldn't have been possible either.


I disagree, it's all about intent, and in the case of Elaida, all she has to do is believe that by showing them the weave she will cause deaths. That would suffice for it to be 'used as a weapon'.

Elaida made herself believe many things true or untrue, as did all Aes Sedai, but especially her. I can't believe that she wouldn't expect that her weave could directly cause death. We JUST saw that I think the Aes Sedai with Perrin refused to even cause an earth tremor near the WHITECLOAKS, because it MIGHT possibly do something which MIGHT cause their deaths.

It's all about what they convince themselves that their weaves will accomplish, and hence Elaida should know from her treatment by the Seanchan and her carefulness in hiding Travelling, what the Seanchan will do with her weave, Period.
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Elaida, oh no you didn't! malekithe - 04/12/2010 06:38:22 AM 2148 Views
The weave will not directly result in death Helene - 04/12/2010 06:54:20 AM 1060 Views
Re: The weave will not directly result in death malekithe - 04/12/2010 07:08:50 AM 959 Views
Wrong for two reasons Voscaia Sedai - 04/12/2010 09:10:03 AM 1124 Views
Only two? Usually he's wrong for eight reasons. *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2010 09:47:37 AM 501 Views
Go jump in a lake malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:32:18 AM 850 Views
I wanted to be polite and mentioned just the major ones *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:44:25 AM 458 Views
Thank you, Voscaia Sedai *NM* Evil_Monkey - 04/12/2010 08:51:58 PM 406 Views
Re: Wrong for two reasons malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM 870 Views
you're forgetting she was collared. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:01:27 AM 743 Views
Re: you're forgetting she was collared. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:08:30 AM 839 Views
uhm, no that's not all you're saying. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:14:47 AM 850 Views
Yeah I am malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:17:48 AM 778 Views
no. dude i gave you a direct quote from your own statement. that is not what you said LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:20:14 AM 907 Views
Go dude yourself brother. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:27:33 AM 768 Views
wow i just...wow. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:33:41 AM 861 Views
Re: wow i just...wow. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:45:47 AM 850 Views
yes well you genuinely seem to be having a problem comprehending your own statements. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:51:18 AM 717 Views
Well you genuinely seem to be retarded. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:59:19 AM 783 Views
I judge this based off your own reactions to other's statements LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:05:58 AM 882 Views
I judge you based on your own statements towards me malekithe - 05/12/2010 10:16:18 AM 804 Views
if all you did was disagree with me, we would not be having this discussion. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:25:36 AM 752 Views
This is why I replied the way I did *NM* Deadsy - 05/12/2010 10:51:54 AM 371 Views
go read the boooks more closely darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:34:11 PM 1167 Views
Plain wrong. The weave doesn't kill in itself. Ashaman_Luc - 04/12/2010 02:34:00 PM 959 Views
Wrong malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:40:40 AM 772 Views
This redqueen - 04/12/2010 12:35:04 PM 790 Views
Seconded "This"^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:09:17 PM 374 Views
Thirded "This"^ *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:47:56 AM 413 Views
Re: Fourthed "This"^ *NM* alanna aes sedai - 05/12/2010 08:08:15 PM 375 Views
yep, he was just trolling I guess *NM* Lo'oris - 05/12/2010 01:58:32 PM 379 Views
the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death Ava - 04/12/2010 02:55:13 PM 800 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM 850 Views
just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:07:08 AM 795 Views
Re: just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:11:28 AM 821 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:42 AM 370 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:43 AM 321 Views
Yup, I guess that was what Elaida was thinking *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:15:21 AM 389 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death HyogaRott - 06/12/2010 03:44:33 PM 762 Views
It's actually come up in the books themselves darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 03:00:03 PM 944 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! Zeratul - 04/12/2010 03:30:57 PM 833 Views
Elaida could teach them balefire and not break the Oaths. *NM* Gher - 04/12/2010 07:24:55 PM 367 Views
This is ridiculous. You can teach any weave, including Balefire. You just can't always use it. *NM* Marshall - 05/12/2010 06:37:16 AM 333 Views
You can teach a weave so long as YOU believe that the weave won't be a weapon. Elaida knows better *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:13:57 AM 376 Views
This is false, we've seen battle weaves taught since the start of the series. Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:49:13 PM 736 Views
Right? and every AS seems to know how to make a fireball and call lightning darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:44:45 PM 741 Views
that's where you are wrong darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:43:21 PM 736 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! benxtaron - 05/12/2010 08:32:50 AM 988 Views
There's another way she could have avoided it redqueen - 05/12/2010 11:37:09 AM 745 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:51:06 PM 1107 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Watcher - 06/12/2010 01:43:45 PM 740 Views
I disagree redqueen - 06/12/2010 02:29:46 PM 818 Views
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