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Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 06/12/2010 03:44:33 PM
The three oaths are, "To speak no word that is not true, to make no weapon for one man to kill another, and never to use the One Power as a weapon, except against Shadowspawn, to save her own life or her Warder's, or the life of another sister."

The oaths are quite literal; a gateway is not a weapon, therefore she can form one just fine. The oath does not forbid indirectly causing death with the power. Even tying a person up with the power to then kill them with steel weapons has not been forbidden by the oath.

Not to mention we've already seen how little integrity most Aes Sedai have when it comes to finding ways to weasel out of their oaths. The first one is the easiest to get around, but the second and third are nearly as weak.


Travelling yes, Deathgates no. The key phrase in the oath is "AS A WEAPON" and standard gateways are not weapons, unless specifically used as one i.e. open on e directly on top of someone to cut them in half, which an AS would not be able to do. The key however is perception, IF Elida was to convince herself that a gateway was, unto itself, a weapon she would be able unable to make the weave without fear of death, however simple refusal has the same effect. The key is that Elida is strong but brittle and her will shall be completely crushed by the Seanchean in very short order. She would be giving them Traveling and everything else within a week of capture.
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Elaida, oh no you didn't! malekithe - 04/12/2010 06:38:22 AM 2272 Views
The weave will not directly result in death Helene - 04/12/2010 06:54:20 AM 1185 Views
Re: The weave will not directly result in death malekithe - 04/12/2010 07:08:50 AM 1072 Views
Wrong for two reasons Voscaia Sedai - 04/12/2010 09:10:03 AM 1231 Views
Only two? Usually he's wrong for eight reasons. *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2010 09:47:37 AM 553 Views
Go jump in a lake malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:32:18 AM 975 Views
I wanted to be polite and mentioned just the major ones *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:44:25 AM 510 Views
Thank you, Voscaia Sedai *NM* Evil_Monkey - 04/12/2010 08:51:58 PM 460 Views
Re: Wrong for two reasons malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:39:02 AM 987 Views
you're forgetting she was collared. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:01:27 AM 862 Views
Re: you're forgetting she was collared. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:08:30 AM 951 Views
uhm, no that's not all you're saying. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:14:47 AM 968 Views
Yeah I am malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:17:48 AM 900 Views
no. dude i gave you a direct quote from your own statement. that is not what you said LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:20:14 AM 1030 Views
Go dude yourself brother. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:27:33 AM 882 Views
wow i just...wow. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:33:41 AM 973 Views
Re: wow i just...wow. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:45:47 AM 969 Views
yes well you genuinely seem to be having a problem comprehending your own statements. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:51:18 AM 819 Views
Well you genuinely seem to be retarded. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:59:19 AM 886 Views
I judge this based off your own reactions to other's statements LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:05:58 AM 991 Views
I judge you based on your own statements towards me malekithe - 05/12/2010 10:16:18 AM 913 Views
if all you did was disagree with me, we would not be having this discussion. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 10:25:36 AM 866 Views
This is why I replied the way I did *NM* Deadsy - 05/12/2010 10:51:54 AM 422 Views
go read the boooks more closely darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:34:11 PM 1293 Views
Plain wrong. The weave doesn't kill in itself. Ashaman_Luc - 04/12/2010 02:34:00 PM 1065 Views
Wrong malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:40:40 AM 879 Views
This redqueen - 04/12/2010 12:35:04 PM 901 Views
Seconded "This"^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/12/2010 07:09:17 PM 434 Views
Thirded "This"^ *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2010 10:47:56 AM 471 Views
Re: Fourthed "This"^ *NM* alanna aes sedai - 05/12/2010 08:08:15 PM 431 Views
yep, he was just trolling I guess *NM* Lo'oris - 05/12/2010 01:58:32 PM 433 Views
the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death Ava - 04/12/2010 02:55:13 PM 911 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death malekithe - 05/12/2010 08:43:48 AM 978 Views
just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:07:08 AM 916 Views
Re: just because they didn't want to doesn't mean they weren't able. malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:11:28 AM 949 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:42 AM 423 Views
well that would explain how santa is able to make his rounds in one night! *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 09:13:43 AM 379 Views
Yup, I guess that was what Elaida was thinking *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:15:21 AM 434 Views
Re: the oath is very literal and does not forbid indirectly causing death HyogaRott - 06/12/2010 03:44:33 PM 876 Views
It's actually come up in the books themselves darius_sedai - 04/12/2010 03:00:03 PM 1062 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! Zeratul - 04/12/2010 03:30:57 PM 966 Views
Elaida could teach them balefire and not break the Oaths. *NM* Gher - 04/12/2010 07:24:55 PM 415 Views
This is ridiculous. You can teach any weave, including Balefire. You just can't always use it. *NM* Marshall - 05/12/2010 06:37:16 AM 385 Views
You can teach a weave so long as YOU believe that the weave won't be a weapon. Elaida knows better *NM* malekithe - 05/12/2010 09:13:57 AM 424 Views
This is false, we've seen battle weaves taught since the start of the series. Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:49:13 PM 856 Views
Right? and every AS seems to know how to make a fireball and call lightning darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:44:45 PM 847 Views
that's where you are wrong darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 02:43:21 PM 844 Views
Re: Elaida, oh no you didn't! benxtaron - 05/12/2010 08:32:50 AM 1157 Views
There's another way she could have avoided it redqueen - 05/12/2010 11:37:09 AM 866 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Lord Haart - 05/12/2010 01:51:06 PM 1213 Views
Re: There's another way she could have avoided it Watcher - 06/12/2010 01:43:45 PM 838 Views
I disagree redqueen - 06/12/2010 02:29:46 PM 931 Views
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