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Re: timeline in the books Ava Send a noteboard - 31/12/2010 01:18:32 PM
No, that's her first experience in the columns, where she saw the traditional Aiel history, and the ??? marker indicates I'm highly uncertain about the precision of that timing. Her second experience began the same day she finished the first; I marked it as between 811 and 821, since there's an interlude where she ends one vision and sees the sun shining, indicating that Rand's epiphany has happened. Since we have that marker, I'm more certain of the timing for the second experience.
Damn. There goes my theory. I was certain her visions of the future had to be while Rand was still Dark Rand, since anything else wouldn't really make sense (imho). If she did go in the second time on day 811, and Rand transformed day 815, then it's still narrowly possible that her visions were at least partly of the Dark-Rand future, though.

But that's assuming her visions were true ones in the first place. I don't think they were, because the prophecy said that "only a remnant of a remnant" would survive the LB, but in the visions there are thousands and thousands of Aiel.
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Avienda's viewing and the Fields of Merrilor (spoilers) saidarisnowtainted - 28/12/2010 06:21:05 PM 3638 Views
Timing moratcorlm - 28/12/2010 06:43:32 PM 2199 Views
Indeed...the bleak future makes the Last Battle almost an anti-climax... Shannow - 28/12/2010 08:20:31 PM 2344 Views
And yet, the only places of relative peace and shelter right now are Seanchan controlled lands. everynametaken - 29/12/2010 03:21:37 AM 1907 Views
+1. Lord Haart - 29/12/2010 04:04:02 AM 1669 Views
Re: +1. Lo'oris - 07/01/2011 05:25:23 PM 1536 Views
Those who would give up permanent liberty in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither.. Shannow - 29/12/2010 10:27:35 AM 1681 Views
Says the person defending monarchies and oligarchies, some of them quite brutal. moratcorlm - 29/12/2010 02:12:56 PM 1639 Views
LoL. What is this "POV trap" that people refer to so often to make a point? Shannow - 29/12/2010 10:00:11 PM 1876 Views
Re: LoL. What is this "POV trap" that people refer to so often to make a point? moratcorlm - 29/12/2010 10:44:12 PM 1730 Views
Why do you have this urge to overcomplicate something as simple as personal likes and dislikes? Shannow - 30/12/2010 10:00:43 AM 1585 Views
Re: Why do you have this urge to overcomplicate something as simple as personal likes and dislikes? Lo'oris - 07/01/2011 05:28:03 PM 1544 Views
"romantic characteristics" Variant - 07/01/2011 06:06:31 AM 1481 Views
Re: "romantic characteristics" Lo'oris - 07/01/2011 05:30:33 PM 1569 Views
Don't blame the Seanchan, The Aiel made an excuse to start a war. Variant - 08/01/2011 09:20:36 AM 2014 Views
Re: Those who would give up permanent liberty in exchange for temporary security, deserve neither.. Zeratul - 29/12/2010 03:06:16 PM 1741 Views
Exactly. *NM* everynametaken - 30/12/2010 02:50:07 AM 1099 Views
They are pretty close to evil. Slavery being the big thing, but the crushing social scale is far darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:45:59 PM 1478 Views
The Aiel sold slaves to Shara, does that make them evil? No society in Randland is without flaws. Variant - 07/01/2011 05:10:32 AM 1859 Views
you are missing my point darius_sedai - 07/01/2011 11:31:11 PM 1629 Views
We haven't had a POV from a NON-high-ranking Seanchan moratcorlm - 08/01/2011 03:13:26 AM 25141 Views
As to Bethamin ... darius_sedai - 20/01/2011 04:46:36 PM 1641 Views
No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant. Variant - 08/01/2011 09:48:51 AM 1516 Views
Re: No, you're missing the point. Benevolence is irrelevant. Lo'oris - 08/01/2011 10:04:18 AM 1562 Views
Well the Westlands aren't exactly modern Europe or USA either Lohikaarme - 08/01/2011 11:00:31 AM 1600 Views
Re: Well the Westlands aren't exactly modern Europe or USA either Lo'oris - 09/01/2011 02:08:17 AM 1512 Views
That's funny, I'd choose modern day China in a second. Variant - 09/01/2011 06:37:24 AM 1501 Views
Hong Kong is not an accurate representation of the rest of Modern China darius_sedai - 20/01/2011 04:50:20 PM 1479 Views
~sigh~ Cosmopolitan China is different than Rural China Variant - 21/01/2011 01:00:17 AM 1451 Views
well there is also the fact that Hong Kong has different "rules" than even other major darius_sedai - 21/01/2011 05:38:46 PM 1569 Views
I'm not just talking about Hong Kong though... Variant - 22/01/2011 09:36:20 AM 1567 Views
I've traveled extensively darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:02:47 PM 1482 Views
You've traveled to China extensively? Variant - 22/01/2011 07:41:30 PM 1686 Views
the quesetion you responded too is "would you rather live in Medieval Europe of Modern China darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 09:47:24 PM 1793 Views
I responded, "I"d choose modern day china in a second" Variant - 22/01/2011 10:29:46 PM 1632 Views
Actually, China is changing. Variant - 09/01/2011 06:32:58 AM 1593 Views
true to a point, yet China has been under one form or another of totalitarian rule for darius_sedai - 20/01/2011 04:57:37 PM 1549 Views
So? Variant - 21/01/2011 01:20:18 AM 1619 Views
Double post *NM* Variant - 21/01/2011 01:21:10 AM 842 Views
It's the comparative to the Seanchan empire I'm really getting at here, not saying China isn't darius_sedai - 21/01/2011 05:43:56 PM 1631 Views
I don't even know why China was brought up in the first place ~shrugs~ Variant - 22/01/2011 10:04:59 AM 1499 Views
I totally agree with your last point, which is why I think RJ set them up to be the "Evil Empire" darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 06:12:46 PM 1550 Views
They're not entirely evil though, and RJ has written them that way Variant - 22/01/2011 08:02:22 PM 1522 Views
not so much darius_sedai - 22/01/2011 09:54:38 PM 1524 Views
Your example is absurd. Variant - 22/01/2011 10:53:06 PM 1414 Views
Ah yes, the "Jews can kill you with their minds" argument. *NM* moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 05:32:23 PM 832 Views
Please. Like anyone else in Randland is really free? everynametaken - 30/12/2010 02:47:27 AM 1573 Views
Andor is rather progressive... Allowing the common people to speak their minds darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:35:29 PM 1476 Views
Andor is lionized as a huge exception to the general rule moratcorlm - 31/12/2010 11:57:30 PM 1573 Views
Re: Andor is rather progressive... Allowing the common people to speak their minds Zeratul - 01/01/2011 12:18:46 AM 1569 Views
Seanchan is much closer to the Chinese culture. Which has never established democracy darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 06:12:10 AM 1961 Views
Prussia (and with it Germany) would never have changed to democracy if not forced to Voscaia Sedai - 01/01/2011 12:23:34 PM 1465 Views
too easy: they did not have to fight the Shadow, they don't even know shadowspawn really exist as of *NM* Lo'oris - 29/12/2010 02:44:18 PM 893 Views
It goes beyond the channelers. The Seanchan control the population darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:00:57 PM 1441 Views
Re: It goes beyond the channelers. The Seanchan control the population moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 10:58:22 PM 1560 Views
Word, even the Tinkers are gathering and migrating to Seanchan held lands in the south. *NM* Variant - 07/01/2011 05:21:09 AM 815 Views
Maybe they're a remnant of humanity Sidious - 29/12/2010 04:41:40 AM 1689 Views
Re: Maybe they're a remnant of humanity moratcorlm - 29/12/2010 02:17:33 PM 1630 Views
Couple of flaws here darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 06:54:13 PM 1546 Views
You are right, here is a better analogy dadof5 - 03/01/2011 06:23:16 PM 1498 Views
Even Hitler didn't think Jews could kill people with their minds moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:22:09 PM 1591 Views
It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Skeeve the Great - 28/12/2010 08:27:59 PM 1582 Views
No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... Shannow - 28/12/2010 08:31:27 PM 1709 Views
Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... Skeeve the Great - 28/12/2010 08:50:28 PM 1575 Views
Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... saidarisnowtainted - 30/12/2010 03:56:55 PM 1643 Views
Because the Aiel are savages who have no place in a modern world moratcorlm - 28/12/2010 11:15:23 PM 1661 Views
Re: No, the Seanchan started it, by wanting to conquer the rest of the world... saidarisnowtainted - 30/12/2010 04:01:00 PM 1629 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Ashaman_Luc - 28/12/2010 11:02:34 PM 1546 Views
VoG = Veins of Gold. The chapter at the end of TGS where Rand becomes balanced. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/12/2010 06:56:38 AM 2299 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Sidious - 29/12/2010 04:37:04 AM 1517 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess Skeeve the Great - 29/12/2010 02:37:12 PM 1559 Views
Re: It depends on Rand's sperm I guess saidarisnowtainted - 30/12/2010 04:02:31 PM 1964 Views
timeline in the books Ava - 29/12/2010 03:34:45 PM 1609 Views
Re: timeline in the books moratcorlm - 29/12/2010 05:29:11 PM 1650 Views
Re: timeline in the books Ava - 31/12/2010 01:18:32 PM 1538 Views
yes thousands and thousands AFTER hundreds of years. these kids were probably slowing since birth. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 08:19:22 PM 1587 Views
Re: yes thousands and thousands AFTER hundreds of years. Ava - 04/01/2011 12:21:59 PM 1425 Views
your premise is that first generation applies to anyone but them. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 09:25:02 PM 1479 Views
Aviendha + Mat (and Seta and Bethamin) are the best hopes. The Angry Druid - 09/01/2011 01:45:00 AM 1584 Views
From a plot standpoint I very much dislike Avienda's visions as well The Count - 20/01/2011 01:39:37 AM 2003 Views
Problem is, the fate of post-TG Randland depends on the viewing being heeded before TG. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2011 10:07:15 AM 772 Views
The Light's victory in the Last Battle was already a foregone conclusion ranagrande - 21/01/2011 03:48:54 PM 1432 Views
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