Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years?
ranagrande Send a noteboard - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM
The very idea that a whole continent of people are all untrustworthy and dishonorable is absurd enough, but the only thing you're basing this on is the word of the conquerors of these very people. Of course they're going to claim that they were bringing enlightenment to a barbaric people. That's how most hegemonic powers have justified their expansions in history. I find it absurd that you swallow all their crap completely, and then use this to state that a whole continent is tainted.
I don't necessarily believe this either. However, there is precedent in Shara and the Aiel Waste, and presumably also the Isle of Madmen. If Ajimbura is typical of a rural Seanchan commoner, then the conquerors may be right.
Further, if the people of the Wetlands have an inherent system of justice and honor that will allow them to survive the absence of the Seanchan, what justification do they have for their invasion and their intent to export their bigotry and persecution?
Their initial justification is through military might and the threat of force. However, their hostile takeover is being legitimized through popular support, which they are gaining rapidly. The vast majority of people in the conquered countries (those not counted among the ranks of channelers, high nobility in some cases, and other dissidents) seem to prefer the peace and stability of the Seanchan regime.
Seanchan Takeover of Randland
- 22/01/2011 11:25:36 PM
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I would be mostly okay with it if they abolished slavery first
- 23/01/2011 12:19:48 AM
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Hopefully the Dragon's Peace (not the one Avi saw the effects of) those concerns. *NM*
- 23/01/2011 03:21:04 AM
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You mean utter anarchy and a dangerously stratified society?
- 23/01/2011 07:24:48 AM
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The situation in Seanchan isn't that unique
- 23/01/2011 07:49:28 AM
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there's tons of problems there, but 20+ leaders/royals killed? Disaster anywhere... *NM*
- 23/01/2011 11:38:57 AM
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Funny; Caemlyn's succession crises aren't nearly as bad. *NM*
- 23/01/2011 11:00:45 PM
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Rand deserves some credit, he did get involved early and held the Lion Throne for Elayne. *NM*
- 24/01/2011 08:47:42 AM
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The anarchy is what happens in the absence of Seanchan power.
- 27/01/2011 01:10:56 PM
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Yes. That is a flaw of Seanchan governance.
- 28/01/2011 01:54:00 AM
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It's not the Empire's fault, and that flaw is not being duplicated in the wetlands
- 28/01/2011 11:24:00 PM
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Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years?
- 29/01/2011 02:09:05 AM
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Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years?
- 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM
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Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years?
- 29/01/2011 10:02:27 PM
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Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years?
- 30/01/2011 03:56:23 AM
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It's like you don't even read anything when you post. My posts, the books themselves...
- 02/02/2011 06:41:10 PM
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They treat channelers like DOGS! so, No. *NM*
- 23/01/2011 07:56:22 AM
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Dogs never broke the world or created Shadowspawn, so they have it coming *NM*
- 27/01/2011 01:07:32 PM
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The Pattern certainly has some plan or purpose for the Seanchan.
- 23/01/2011 10:59:33 AM
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That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern
- 23/01/2011 11:41:35 PM
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If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern.
- 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM
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I think it's interesting
- 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM
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Re: That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern
- 24/01/2011 12:38:38 PM
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Um, no
- 23/01/2011 11:36:24 AM
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look around you again
- 23/01/2011 03:24:01 PM
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Seanchan equality before the law
- 23/01/2011 04:09:54 PM
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Re: Seanchan equality before the law
- 23/01/2011 04:22:28 PM
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a) most of that is your own extrapolation, not shown in the text
- 23/01/2011 04:56:14 PM
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Mostly, yes.
- 23/01/2011 05:57:17 PM
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Re: Mostly, yes.
- 23/01/2011 06:10:10 PM
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I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling.
- 24/01/2011 08:04:21 PM
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Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling.
- 25/01/2011 10:40:58 AM
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Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling.
- 25/01/2011 05:55:13 PM
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Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling.
- 26/01/2011 12:10:54 AM
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"We" don't know of the One Power existing, so obviously it disappears. *NM*
- 26/01/2011 12:14:19 AM
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Lack of knowledge doesn't mean the One Power vanishes or is destroyed.
- 26/01/2011 04:03:22 PM
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If OP still existed, you'd still have sparkers even "today". *NM*
- 26/01/2011 06:34:50 PM
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