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Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande Send a noteboard - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM
The very idea that a whole continent of people are all untrustworthy and dishonorable is absurd enough, but the only thing you're basing this on is the word of the conquerors of these very people. Of course they're going to claim that they were bringing enlightenment to a barbaric people. That's how most hegemonic powers have justified their expansions in history. I find it absurd that you swallow all their crap completely, and then use this to state that a whole continent is tainted.

I don't necessarily believe this either. However, there is precedent in Shara and the Aiel Waste, and presumably also the Isle of Madmen. If Ajimbura is typical of a rural Seanchan commoner, then the conquerors may be right.

Further, if the people of the Wetlands have an inherent system of justice and honor that will allow them to survive the absence of the Seanchan, what justification do they have for their invasion and their intent to export their bigotry and persecution?

Their initial justification is through military might and the threat of force. However, their hostile takeover is being legitimized through popular support, which they are gaining rapidly. The vast majority of people in the conquered countries (those not counted among the ranks of channelers, high nobility in some cases, and other dissidents) seem to prefer the peace and stability of the Seanchan regime.
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Seanchan Takeover of Randland Mordie01 - 22/01/2011 11:25:36 PM 2493 Views
I would be mostly okay with it if they abolished slavery first Deadsy - 23/01/2011 12:19:48 AM 1411 Views
Hopefully the Dragon's Peace (not the one Avi saw the effects of) those concerns. *NM* Japhy - 23/01/2011 03:21:04 AM 666 Views
You mean utter anarchy and a dangerously stratified society? Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 07:24:48 AM 1172 Views
The situation in Seanchan isn't that unique ranagrande - 23/01/2011 07:49:28 AM 1241 Views
Except with continous rebellion. Chas - 23/01/2011 12:13:17 PM 1238 Views
That's to be expected. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 12:56:07 PM 1179 Views
there's tons of problems there, but 20+ leaders/royals killed? Disaster anywhere... *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:38:57 AM 619 Views
Funny; Caemlyn's succession crises aren't nearly as bad. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 11:00:45 PM 604 Views
Rand deserves some credit, he did get involved early and held the Lion Throne for Elayne. *NM* Libby - 24/01/2011 08:47:42 AM 627 Views
The anarchy is what happens in the absence of Seanchan power. Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:10:56 PM 1245 Views
Yes. That is a flaw of Seanchan governance. Ghavrel - 28/01/2011 01:54:00 AM 1100 Views
It's not the Empire's fault, and that flaw is not being duplicated in the wetlands Cannoli - 28/01/2011 11:24:00 PM 1398 Views
Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 02:09:05 AM 1115 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM 1217 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 10:02:27 PM 1026 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 30/01/2011 03:56:23 AM 1265 Views
It's like you don't even read anything when you post. My posts, the books themselves... Cannoli - 02/02/2011 06:41:10 PM 1223 Views
They treat channelers like DOGS! so, No. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 23/01/2011 07:56:22 AM 607 Views
I treat my dog better *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 23/01/2011 10:28:08 AM 581 Views
Good point. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 24/01/2011 01:47:29 AM 606 Views
Dogs never broke the world or created Shadowspawn, so they have it coming *NM* Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:07:32 PM 589 Views
The Pattern certainly has some plan or purpose for the Seanchan. Libby - 23/01/2011 10:59:33 AM 1286 Views
That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lord Haart - 23/01/2011 11:41:35 PM 1103 Views
If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern. Ghavrel - 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM 1143 Views
I think it's interesting Libby - 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM 1164 Views
There has been ta'veren since Hawkwing and before the Triple. Lohikaarme - 28/01/2011 11:56:46 AM 1216 Views
Who were they? Libby - 29/01/2011 12:33:58 AM 1078 Views
Re: That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lo'oris - 24/01/2011 12:38:38 PM 1042 Views
Um, no newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:36:24 AM 1233 Views
look around you again redhand - 23/01/2011 03:24:01 PM 1230 Views
Re: look around you again Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 03:54:49 PM 1163 Views
Seanchan equality before the law Zeratul - 23/01/2011 04:09:54 PM 1232 Views
Re: Seanchan equality before the law Watcher - 23/01/2011 04:22:28 PM 1210 Views
a) most of that is your own extrapolation, not shown in the text moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:56:14 PM 1167 Views
Yes. moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:47:30 PM 1179 Views
Mostly, yes. redqueen - 23/01/2011 05:57:17 PM 1140 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 06:10:10 PM 1175 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 06:33:00 PM 1284 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 11:03:36 PM 1107 Views
Not really redqueen - 23/01/2011 07:12:27 PM 1107 Views
I disagree. Bergioyn - 25/01/2011 07:17:18 PM 1150 Views
I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 24/01/2011 08:04:21 PM 1264 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 25/01/2011 10:40:58 AM 1090 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2011 05:55:13 PM 1088 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 26/01/2011 12:10:54 AM 1341 Views
"We" don't know of the One Power existing, so obviously it disappears. *NM* Deadsy - 26/01/2011 12:14:19 AM 624 Views
Lack of knowledge doesn't mean the One Power vanishes or is destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2011 04:03:22 PM 1076 Views
If OP still existed, you'd still have sparkers even "today". *NM* Myrdhyn - 26/01/2011 06:34:50 PM 597 Views
Not exactly; genetics are more complicated. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2011 09:48:48 PM 1202 Views
No RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:41:09 PM 1275 Views
Ah, um, no. Ghavrel - 29/01/2011 11:53:16 PM 1182 Views
The thing is orius - 04/02/2011 05:29:15 AM 1117 Views
They didn't break anything Lo'oris - 04/02/2011 02:13:10 PM 1169 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:29:09 PM 1196 Views
Re: Contemplate this then.... redqueen - 06/02/2011 12:44:21 AM 1150 Views
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