Think about the (real) world right now. How do you feel about slavery and torture? How do you feel about the whole "waterboarding" thing? Gitmo and the indefinate incarceration? Do you like these things? Are you "Ok" with it?
Now imagine if this was not just an isolated (if horrible) event, but was society wide. And guess what...no one...not even in protest....ever thought it was wrong. Instead you have a society that is so used to it, that they actually believe that the way that they are treating those individuals is correct. Is so correct that they go willingly to it.
Now ponder that for a moment. Is all that orderly society stuff really worth living in an environment that is based upon such ideals?
~Jeordam
Now imagine if this was not just an isolated (if horrible) event, but was society wide. And guess what...no one...not even in protest....ever thought it was wrong. Instead you have a society that is so used to it, that they actually believe that the way that they are treating those individuals is correct. Is so correct that they go willingly to it.
Now ponder that for a moment. Is all that orderly society stuff really worth living in an environment that is based upon such ideals?
~Jeordam
An odd example, since our governments have effectively decided that, yes, waterboarding and torture and gulags are necessary for 'our society', on much more spurious grounds than Luthair's suspicion of channelers. Most people here don't seem too bothered about it either, beyond a bit of grumbling. Maybe we should take the plank out of our own eyes before we start criticising the Seanchan, who, from what we've seen so far, do pretty much everything better than our own state does.
Seanchan Takeover of Randland
- 22/01/2011 11:25:36 PM
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I would be mostly okay with it if they abolished slavery first
- 23/01/2011 12:19:48 AM
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Hopefully the Dragon's Peace (not the one Avi saw the effects of) those concerns. *NM*
- 23/01/2011 03:21:04 AM
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You mean utter anarchy and a dangerously stratified society?
- 23/01/2011 07:24:48 AM
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The situation in Seanchan isn't that unique
- 23/01/2011 07:49:28 AM
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there's tons of problems there, but 20+ leaders/royals killed? Disaster anywhere... *NM*
- 23/01/2011 11:38:57 AM
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Funny; Caemlyn's succession crises aren't nearly as bad. *NM*
- 23/01/2011 11:00:45 PM
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Rand deserves some credit, he did get involved early and held the Lion Throne for Elayne. *NM*
- 24/01/2011 08:47:42 AM
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The anarchy is what happens in the absence of Seanchan power.
- 27/01/2011 01:10:56 PM
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Yes. That is a flaw of Seanchan governance.
- 28/01/2011 01:54:00 AM
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It's not the Empire's fault, and that flaw is not being duplicated in the wetlands
- 28/01/2011 11:24:00 PM
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Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years?
- 29/01/2011 02:09:05 AM
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Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years?
- 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM
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Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years?
- 29/01/2011 10:02:27 PM
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Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years?
- 30/01/2011 03:56:23 AM
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It's like you don't even read anything when you post. My posts, the books themselves...
- 02/02/2011 06:41:10 PM
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They treat channelers like DOGS! so, No. *NM*
- 23/01/2011 07:56:22 AM
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Dogs never broke the world or created Shadowspawn, so they have it coming *NM*
- 27/01/2011 01:07:32 PM
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The Pattern certainly has some plan or purpose for the Seanchan.
- 23/01/2011 10:59:33 AM
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That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern
- 23/01/2011 11:41:35 PM
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If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern.
- 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM
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I think it's interesting
- 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM
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Re: That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern
- 24/01/2011 12:38:38 PM
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Um, no
- 23/01/2011 11:36:24 AM
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look around you again
- 23/01/2011 03:24:01 PM
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Seanchan equality before the law
- 23/01/2011 04:09:54 PM
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Re: Seanchan equality before the law
- 23/01/2011 04:22:28 PM
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a) most of that is your own extrapolation, not shown in the text
- 23/01/2011 04:56:14 PM
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Mostly, yes.
- 23/01/2011 05:57:17 PM
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Re: Mostly, yes.
- 23/01/2011 06:10:10 PM
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I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling.
- 24/01/2011 08:04:21 PM
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Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling.
- 25/01/2011 10:40:58 AM
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Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling.
- 25/01/2011 05:55:13 PM
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Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling.
- 26/01/2011 12:10:54 AM
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"We" don't know of the One Power existing, so obviously it disappears. *NM*
- 26/01/2011 12:14:19 AM
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Lack of knowledge doesn't mean the One Power vanishes or is destroyed.
- 26/01/2011 04:03:22 PM
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If OP still existed, you'd still have sparkers even "today". *NM*
- 26/01/2011 06:34:50 PM
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Contemplate this then....
- 04/02/2011 10:29:09 PM
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Re: Contemplate this then....
- 06/02/2011 12:44:21 AM
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