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Or PatAtt Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 10:38:52 PM
Mesaana implores Moridin for help in rescuing Semirhage. She states, "We haven't the resources" to attempt a rescue. From this simple statement we learn several things.

First, Demandred is not controlling the black tower. If he was, then he would have the resources needed (i.e. channelers) to launch an attack against Rand and try to rescue Semirhage.

Second, Moridin does have access to channelers. This pretty much confirms that Moridin is running events at the black tower through Mazrim Taim.

Third, Demandred is not controlling the Seanchan or the Sharans. There have been some theories out there that both Semirhage and Demandred were controlling the Seanchan. These theories should be dispelled now. If Demandred had control of the Seanchan then he would have the resources (e.g. damane) to attempt a rescue. Similarly, if Demandred was controlling the Sharans, he would have access to their channelers. This clearly shows Demandred is not set up in Shara.

The only possibilities left for Demandred have been thought of by everyone else. Either Demandred has Murandy in his control (this is what I believe is true) or else he really does have the borderlanders in his grasp (a possibility, but less likely in my opinion).



Two other things that it could mean, just of the top of my head:

1) The resources (channelers) are there, but they cannot access them without Moridin's permission. I.e., they control these channelers but have been forbidden to use them unless Moridin gives them the o.k. I think this is highly likely, especially because it is difficult to imagine that Moridin did NOT give instructions that anything having to do with interactions with the Dragon Reborn must be pre-approved.

2) They can't find Rand and need Moridin's help in doing so. Remember Moridin and Cyndane (Lanfear) can track ta'veren by reading the pattern. We don't know of any other Forsaken that have this ability.
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