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Underestimating Forsaken strength Nessarra Send a noteboard - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM
While reading debates here about which female forsaken is stronger than the other... I always see statements like "Mesaana is among the weaker forsaken."

But think about Mesaana's strength in relative terms. We're comparing her to only a FEW very strong channelers that are stronger than her. The strength difference could even be marginal.

We know that the only very large margin in strength is between Lanfear and the next strongest female Forsaken. People here have forgotten that Lanfear is second to only Ishaemael/Rand in strength. She is out of the other female Forsakens' league.

Semirhage, Graendal, Mesaana, and maybe even Moghedien could all have very small margins of difference in their One Power strengths.

It could be very likely that Semirhage and Graendal are the same in OP strength, or so close as to be negligible (such as Talaan and Nynaeve).
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Underestimating Forsaken strength Nessarra - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM 1806 Views
Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Shannow - 11/12/2011 07:45:29 AM 706 Views
Re: Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Nessarra - 11/12/2011 10:25:03 PM 716 Views
Yes, you are probably correct Sidious - 12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM 821 Views
Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed Watcher - 12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM 620 Views
The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? Shannow - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM 668 Views
I find that unlikely Sidious - 12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM 632 Views
Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR? Shannow - 13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM 589 Views
Well.... Sidious - 13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM 650 Views
Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM 661 Views
Re: Well there we have it Sidious - 13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM 689 Views
Re: Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM 628 Views
Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM 688 Views
That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM* Sidious - 14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM 366 Views
Where would you place Egwene though? fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM 605 Views
Re: Where would you place Egwene though? Sidious - 14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM 608 Views
Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe... Shannow - 14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM 736 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM 562 Views
The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ... Shannow - 14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM 600 Views
Yes! And...? fionwe1987 - 15/12/2011 02:53:37 AM 604 Views
Yes I would agree with that Sidious - 14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM 753 Views
Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM 518 Views
No Sidious - 14/12/2011 09:10:34 PM 603 Views
That makes no sense. TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 09:13:48 PM 675 Views
Correct. Shannow - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM 627 Views
Re: Correct. Sidious - 15/12/2011 05:54:37 AM 609 Views
So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Shannow - 14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM 1064 Views
Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Sidious - 15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM 534 Views
There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Shannow - 15/12/2011 07:03:01 AM 615 Views
Re: There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Sidious - 17/12/2011 10:25:47 AM 680 Views
Because a difference of a few % is negligible, and not even worth mentioning... Shannow - 17/12/2011 10:54:49 AM 527 Views
How could you possibly use Gateways... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2011 12:40:03 PM 550 Views
Repyling at bottom of thread for space reasons... *NM* Shannow - 17/12/2011 02:57:43 PM 339 Views
Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM 638 Views
I think it was just Aes Sedai hyperbole RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2011 09:51:00 PM 486 Views
And entirely based off your shared assumption. Fanatic-Templar - 14/12/2011 05:15:51 AM 695 Views
Actually that's a lot of logical assumption. *NM* LadyLorraine - 13/12/2011 01:28:00 PM 301 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:06:15 AM 488 Views
And darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 05:07:13 PM 594 Views
Yes Cannoli - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM 733 Views
Re: Yes RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM 656 Views
Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry, Shannow - 13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM 705 Views
There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM 673 Views
None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it... Shannow - 13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM 571 Views
But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM 571 Views
What Rand is doing... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:43:08 AM 681 Views
That would make sense given Min's vision RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2011 04:37:56 PM 478 Views
Wait.. I DIDN'T write that! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM 558 Views
Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:" Shannow - 17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM 645 Views
You're basically saying "correlation equals causation"... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2011 06:18:47 AM 595 Views
On gateways Sidious - 18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM 646 Views
Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha. echooff - 19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM 834 Views
I suspect he knows that... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM 550 Views
Nope...some maths problems in your post. Shannow - 19/12/2011 07:41:29 PM 609 Views
But 64 square feet is not Elayne's maximum... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 02:46:50 AM 566 Views
But Shielding is also relative. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/12/2011 09:35:11 PM 1823 Views
Re: Underestimating Forsaken strength Tedtheman - 22/12/2011 05:24:53 PM 595 Views
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