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Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions redqueen Send a noteboard - 05/02/2012 04:05:57 AM
You seem to be stuck in the mindset that Aes Sedai are an ongoing organization which has simply mutated and adapted over time, when in fact, they were a group that was wiped out, and their name appropriated by a new group that did what they did.


This. There is no reason to think that the third-age channelers who became the Aes Sedai of the White Tower weren't simply the first - or strongest - group of wilders to coalesce out of the chaos of the Breaking. None of the most useful AoL weaves and techniques survived - travelling, five-power healing, inverting, dreamwalking, and so on - which strains credulity no matter how you try to explain it. At the same time, weaves and techniques were discovered that hadn't been known in the Age of Legends, things like the Warder bond, and unravelling. And it's rather patronising to assume that wilders simply couldn't achieve the control necessary to impress anyone. The Aiel, the Sea Folk and the Ayyad all independently developed channeling traditions and efficient methods of training. And, strong as she was, all the Tower's training didn't help young Cadsuane much against the wilder Norla, who had no one to teach her at all.

It also seems a mistake to judge all three millennia of Aes Sedai by those we see in the WoT books; modern AS are timid and frown on innovation, but past Aes Sedai tested ter'angreal like the Arches even when it could mean stilling or death, and must have put a great deal of work into creating the hundred testing weaves. Such innovation isn't the behaviour of women who think they know it all already; it's the behaviour of women who know well that there is a great deal more for them to learn.

It's my opinion that if weaves such as Travelling did manage to survive the breaking - which is doubtful but not impossible - they were finally lost when the new Third-Age Aes Sedai exterminated all the female channelers who refused to join the White Tower.
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How did Travelling become a lost Talent? - 03/02/2012 09:09:39 AM 2357 Views
It is a little odd. Maybe because channelers weren't united for a while? - 03/02/2012 02:24:17 PM 1294 Views
Re: How did Travelling become a lost Talent? - 03/02/2012 02:49:02 PM 1133 Views
It has always seemed unlikely. - 03/02/2012 04:53:14 PM 1228 Views
i think it could be - 03/02/2012 07:56:18 PM 1424 Views
Re: i think it could be - 04/02/2012 12:56:57 PM 1250 Views
I'm really not seeing it. - 05/02/2012 04:19:38 AM 1112 Views
It's always struck me as a tool of the Author more than a good hard fact - 04/02/2012 01:40:06 AM 974 Views
Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 04/02/2012 07:34:45 AM 1372 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 04/02/2012 09:48:52 AM 1217 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 04/02/2012 03:04:48 PM 1232 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 04/02/2012 06:58:41 PM 1105 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 05/02/2012 12:00:05 AM 1136 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 05/02/2012 04:05:57 AM 1094 Views
I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking - 05/02/2012 05:53:32 PM 1105 Views
not to mention - 05/02/2012 07:16:59 PM 1105 Views
Re: not to mention - 05/02/2012 08:50:50 PM 1379 Views
Re: not to mention - 05/02/2012 09:33:40 PM 1104 Views
Re: I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking - 05/02/2012 07:39:51 PM 1306 Views
Medical knowledge... - 06/02/2012 02:15:13 AM 955 Views
My point was that it's surprising only ONE Healing weave survived - 11/02/2012 08:25:02 PM 1039 Views
Re: I don't see why people are having trouble believing Traveling was lost in the Breaking - 05/02/2012 09:11:04 PM 974 Views
Rant rant rant - 11/02/2012 08:26:56 PM 1109 Views
I agree. I was going to respond but you covered most of the bases. - 08/02/2012 04:13:20 PM 956 Views
Re: Your theory is based on rather severely flawed assumptions - 05/02/2012 09:52:35 PM 1191 Views
You really need to read the BWB sections regarding this - 14/02/2012 01:20:20 AM 978 Views
he needs to read it just to see it for his own eyes - 14/02/2012 02:46:44 AM 937 Views
Re: he needs to read it just to see it for his own eyes - 14/02/2012 10:15:46 PM 1026 Views
I would agree with you on less structured parts of the series - 15/02/2012 03:38:37 PM 881 Views
Re: I would agree with you on less structured parts of the series - 16/02/2012 09:41:29 PM 1067 Views
That I can agree with - 17/02/2012 05:46:49 AM 1120 Views
Re: That I can agree with - 17/02/2012 09:26:50 AM 944 Views
Seriously! The Yellow should be ashamed - 17/02/2012 01:49:07 PM 1114 Views
Well to be fair to the Yellow (which generally annoy me as an Ajah)... - 17/02/2012 06:20:06 PM 1007 Views
Seems reasonable - 18/02/2012 05:49:40 PM 995 Views
Quote found - 12/02/2012 01:35:58 AM 955 Views
My thoughts - 05/02/2012 10:14:59 PM 1194 Views
Re: How did Travelling become a lost Talent? - 13/02/2012 12:24:35 PM 1119 Views
a few more other factors - 15/02/2012 08:22:02 PM 1035 Views

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