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actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM
On a purely practical level, why would Shai'tan allow it? The True Power is not an impersonal power source like the True Source, it's Shai'tan essence. Even if you contend that his link with Moridin will allow him access, even Ishamael needed to beg Shai'tan's support, see their confrontation at the end of The Dragon Reborn.

In D&D terms, one is Wizard magic and the other is Cleric magic.


Rand didn't just touch the TP in TGS as part of a lure by the DO. I'm sure it serves a greater purpose. As I said, something has to touch the DO. Unless you have a theory on what could be used to prevent the taint occurring again, I think the TP is a good alternative.
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What's so special about Callandor? Sidious - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 1999 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it beetnemesis - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 937 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 999 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1076 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 899 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 935 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 943 Views
Hmm.... Sidious - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 868 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 753 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 813 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 713 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 773 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 734 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* mogi67 - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 502 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 904 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 911 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 764 Views
Have to agree with you on this darius_sedai - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 788 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this DomA - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 750 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 636 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 632 Views
I actually don't see it that way darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 781 Views
depends how you look at it Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 830 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 607 Views
Re: depends how you look at it DomA - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 706 Views
Odds are you are correct darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 580 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 543 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 608 Views
That's not correct. Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 605 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 857 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 532 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 870 Views
You explantion is DomA - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 650 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 325 Views
RJ Quote: Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 584 Views
Exactly DomA - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 896 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 594 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 597 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 743 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 590 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 578 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 691 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 638 Views
Yep . Fanatic-Templar - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 600 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 694 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. LadyLorraine - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 688 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. Fanatic-Templar - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 531 Views
Sounds like the One Ring guttering flame - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 730 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben DomA - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 861 Views
No, I don't agree Sidious - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 796 Views
That makes no sense... fionwe1987 - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 615 Views
Re: That makes no sense... rosco12 - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 656 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 589 Views
He makes a good point though. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 638 Views
Yes, but... fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 592 Views
Re: Yes, but... Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 603 Views
I found a couple of quote rosco12 - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 822 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. Fanatic-Templar - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 629 Views
Re: That makes no sense... Sidious - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 774 Views
Re: That makes no sense... DomA - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 848 Views
Re: No, I don't agree DomA - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 814 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 685 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 788 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims MikeyMikeyMikey - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 622 Views
That's what I meant JasonD - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 721 Views
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