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actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM
On a purely practical level, why would Shai'tan allow it? The True Power is not an impersonal power source like the True Source, it's Shai'tan essence. Even if you contend that his link with Moridin will allow him access, even Ishamael needed to beg Shai'tan's support, see their confrontation at the end of The Dragon Reborn.

In D&D terms, one is Wizard magic and the other is Cleric magic.


Rand didn't just touch the TP in TGS as part of a lure by the DO. I'm sure it serves a greater purpose. As I said, something has to touch the DO. Unless you have a theory on what could be used to prevent the taint occurring again, I think the TP is a good alternative.
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What's so special about Callandor? Sidious - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2433 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it beetnemesis - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1390 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1445 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1486 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 1338 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1400 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1373 Views
Hmm.... Sidious - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1303 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 1177 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 1233 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 1175 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 1221 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 1194 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* mogi67 - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 736 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1381 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1380 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 1195 Views
Have to agree with you on this darius_sedai - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 1191 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this DomA - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 1179 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 1077 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 1044 Views
I actually don't see it that way darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 1222 Views
depends how you look at it Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1262 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 1020 Views
Re: depends how you look at it DomA - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 1158 Views
Odds are you are correct darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 1003 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 1039 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 1036 Views
That's not correct. Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 1039 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1328 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 970 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1320 Views
You explantion is DomA - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 1072 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 567 Views
RJ Quote: Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 1006 Views
Exactly DomA - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1362 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 1007 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 1051 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 1197 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 1043 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 996 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 1145 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 1083 Views
Yep . Fanatic-Templar - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 1002 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 1146 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. LadyLorraine - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 1241 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. Fanatic-Templar - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 967 Views
Sounds like the One Ring guttering flame - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 1162 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben DomA - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1311 Views
No, I don't agree Sidious - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 1243 Views
That makes no sense... fionwe1987 - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 1071 Views
Re: That makes no sense... rosco12 - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 1120 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 1054 Views
He makes a good point though. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 1074 Views
Yes, but... fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 1045 Views
Re: Yes, but... Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 1075 Views
I found a couple of quote rosco12 - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 1235 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. Fanatic-Templar - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 1051 Views
Re: That makes no sense... Sidious - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 1189 Views
Re: That makes no sense... DomA - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1264 Views
Re: No, I don't agree DomA - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 1254 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 1142 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 1333 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims MikeyMikeyMikey - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 1055 Views
That's what I meant JasonD - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 1136 Views
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