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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM
On a purely practical level, why would Shai'tan allow it? The True Power is not an impersonal power source like the True Source, it's Shai'tan essence. Even if you contend that his link with Moridin will allow him access, even Ishamael needed to beg Shai'tan's support, see their confrontation at the end of The Dragon Reborn.

In D&D terms, one is Wizard magic and the other is Cleric magic.


Rand didn't just touch the TP in TGS as part of a lure by the DO. I'm sure it serves a greater purpose.


Actually, it served a lower purpose. It was an indication of how far Rand had fallen at the time. That part of the story was all about how dark Rand was becoming, and that Shai'tan was granting him direct access to the power of pure evil is indication enough of that.

As I said, something has to touch the DO. Unless you have a theory on what could be used to prevent the taint occurring again, I think the TP is a good alternative.


I don't know how they're going to fix the prison, but that doesn't make your suggestion any more feasible. The burden of proof is on your claim, and you haven't addressed either of the evident flaws I mentioned in the previous post.
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What's so special about Callandor? Sidious - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2386 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it beetnemesis - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1344 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1399 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1432 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 1288 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1329 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1329 Views
Hmm.... Sidious - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1260 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 1136 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 1187 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 1111 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 1172 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 1126 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* mogi67 - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 694 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1330 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1335 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 1150 Views
Have to agree with you on this darius_sedai - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 1151 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this DomA - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 1127 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 1015 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 1007 Views
I actually don't see it that way darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 1178 Views
depends how you look at it Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1215 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 968 Views
Re: depends how you look at it DomA - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 1100 Views
Odds are you are correct darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 962 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 983 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 994 Views
That's not correct. Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 994 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1282 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 921 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1263 Views
You explantion is DomA - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 1018 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 525 Views
RJ Quote: Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 962 Views
Exactly DomA - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1314 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 957 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 1004 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 1154 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 989 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 952 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 1089 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 1032 Views
Yep . Fanatic-Templar - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 960 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 1103 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. LadyLorraine - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 1183 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. Fanatic-Templar - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 911 Views
Sounds like the One Ring guttering flame - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 1116 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben DomA - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1266 Views
No, I don't agree Sidious - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 1201 Views
That makes no sense... fionwe1987 - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 1024 Views
Re: That makes no sense... rosco12 - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 1065 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 997 Views
He makes a good point though. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 1030 Views
Yes, but... fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 987 Views
Re: Yes, but... Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 1015 Views
I found a couple of quote rosco12 - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 1190 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. Fanatic-Templar - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 1002 Views
Re: That makes no sense... Sidious - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 1142 Views
Re: That makes no sense... DomA - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1218 Views
Re: No, I don't agree DomA - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 1202 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 1091 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 1268 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims MikeyMikeyMikey - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 1009 Views
That's what I meant JasonD - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 1090 Views
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