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Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too Sidious Send a noteboard - 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM
Maybe my old (well, dating back partly to TGS and partly to TOM, but I have like half a dozen contradictory ones) theory that Rand is using Callandor as a foil may be right, ie: he doesn't bring Callandor to use it, he brings Callandor so Shaidar Haran thinks he's gonna use it and seizes it. "Mwahh, ah, ah... just three of you and intending to touch me again, but allowing me to touch saidar too this time, you really thought this through!", then Rand does something, perhaps to Callandor instead of with Callandor, or something while Shaidar Haran uses Callandor (it it turns out the reason why it magnifies the taint is that unlike other san'angreal this one would work with the TP - kind of a long-shot, but its making is shabby. Could RJ have kept to himself there was also sabotage involved?).

I'm half serious with this (in the sense that's obviously missing a crucial element somewhere that could make it a viable theory - I get the feeling it would be really hard to figure it out anyway as I'm convinced RJ kept a key concept or key element from us at this point), but Min did had a viewing of a black (or dark) hand holding Callandor, so it's something the Light could anticipate happening.


Many people think that it refers to Moridin, but it could be any darkened hand... SH, Demandred, even Taim. I still stick by my original theory that the True Power is the secret to sealing the Bore. It is the only power that can deflect a retaliation by the Dark One. Moridin never planned to cross balefire with Rand, and I refuse to believe that Rand's ability to draw on the TP comes down to a coincidental accident at SL that the Shadow took advantage of. There's a greater purpose for his connection to Moridin. Maybe it only has to do with soul transfer at the last second, but it could very well be that the TP provides the mechanism for success. Maybe Rand won't use it directly, but he can perhaps give Moridin/SH such a fright that he buys some time to strike with finality.

I wonder if what's look like it could be a dagger at his side is a dagger, the dragon scepter or else if it could be the dagger-shaped ter'angreal that's supposed to hide someone from the Shadow. The possibilities for that one being used in another episode than at SG are not exhausted, but the possibilities have run out a little since Mat and Elayne are done with the gholam. I guess it could still be very useful to Mat during the LB if neither SH/the DO nor Shadowspawn can't see or sense him in any way (I doubt this works on human sworn to the DO like Forsaken).

I've also wondered whether that dagger will return, though I think it's cheating a bit. Surprise! Not really the Dragon's style, but I guess winning is winning.

I know the cover art don't prove anything but it at least made me think of this idea: Rand and Moraine/Nynaeve don't look one bit as if they've just seen battle. I guess there's really a possibility they are alone and there's no gigantic battle raging outside in the Valley as there was during LTT's Strike, that those three are there alone, or sneaked up there while Mat organize a diversion at the mouth of the valley, far from the mountain itself.


Indeed, though making them seem haggard would be a bit strange in a book dedicated to Rand's victory. That said, I think they will fight as arduously as their friends. I'm pretty sure Rand will personally kill some of the Forsaken, Nynaeve seems to be on a collision course with Graendal, and Moiraine's angreal has an obvious purpose. It does seem, however, that Rand will break away with the two women at some point and Travel to SG to finish it. There is something missing as you say, but Rand will tell us about that in due course.

Another little detail to which you will know the answer for sure (though I suspect I know it if I remember correctly a mention by Rhavin or Sammael): can Rand even lead in that circle or must one of the two women lead?

He cannot, it must be led by a woman. I find this to be a serious reason as to why this circle may not happen. I can't believe that Rand will merely be part of a circle and that Nynaeve, or worse Moiraine, will seal the DO away. He could lead the circle if he links with one of them, but then Callandor will remain unstable as it requires two women to stabilize the missing buffer.

Just saying, because we know Moiraine considers herself fairly weak/clumsy with at least two flows (Earth and Fire) and RJ described Nynaeve as very specialized and lacking in the other areas outside the healing weaves (though we know she can be fairly precise/delicate). Of course, at this point neither of them has any experience using saidin in a mixed gender circle either.

Unless it doesn't come down to the Power at all. It may be all about trust, and Rand more than hinted at it when he asked Nynaeve. Her strength and abilities had little to do with it. Even if it does come down to the Power, their role in a circle with him will merely be to stabilize Callandor, though one of them will have to lead. Moiraine is a poor choice if it comes down to skill and ability - she's one of the weakest Aes Sedai around and noticibly poor in Earth and Fire, which strengthens the theory that one of those women is Egwene, overall the most naturally talented female channelers around.

Another interesting tidbit: we might want to start considering new possibilities for how Alivia is supposed to help Rand die, since she's now ruled out as the second woman at the Pit.

Either Rand has already gone through death, or it's not at the Pit at all he will die. Always possible Alivia think of something that will inspire Rand, but she never striked me as much of a thinker and more like a doer...

I personally think this is one of those visions that will be rather underwhelming. It will come down to illusion and deception that will allow Alivia to fake Rand's death. Her knowledge of the Power is almost absent, so I find it unlikely she will perform something unbelievable like swapping Rand's soul or the like, unless she learns something rapidly in AMOL.

On another note, I have to agree with Fionwe about Egwene. I honestly think she's a closer parallel to Rand than Nynaeve was. Nynaeve has been the wild card of the series since the beginning. She was the one who didn't want to leave, she couldn't channel properly and she's got the unique Talent of Healing. She's a furious woman who's chosen marriage and struggles with duty.

Egwene and Rand have far more parallels. They both left the village together and voluntarily and both started on parallel destinies centered around leadership. Both were tutored by the Aiel, and grew to become some of the most skilled channelers alive. They are both strong in all the Powers which is exceedingly rare. They share a common affliction based on incarceration - Rand is claustrophobic due to the red ajah and Egwene because she was damane. They are both headstrong etc etc... I've never thought of Nynaeve/Rand as a team even though they worked together often. A lot of that pairing was centered around Nynaeve's power and because Egwene was absent and doing other things, but that is over and I think we're going to see the true alliance blooming for the second book. Yes, Nynaeve is going to be there, but I think Egwene and Rand for the first time are going to become an enormously powerful team.

I also agree with Fionwe that Egwene will take a personal role in the Last Battle. She's never shirked away from conflict, and even before Mesaana she tried to fight Aginor and she used the Power as a weapon against Couladin much to Moiraine's disapproval. Things have changed - she is the Amyrlin now and that is possibly irresponsible, but at the same time its also irrelevant because she's a human being fighting for survival in the great battle of an age against extinction. I think both of these aspects will play out. She's going to sit on a distant hill surrounded by the Hall commanding her armies, but at some stage everything will go to hell (thanks to Demandred, of this I am sure), and she will lead them all down into the center of the fray to battle. I find it unlikely to impossible that she's going to be a remote general and figurehead while every other main character is fighting and dying. She won't die, but she's going to show us a display similar to the one against the Seanchan.
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The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 03:52:14 PM 5115 Views
It's pretty damn cool. - 03/05/2012 03:59:36 PM 2792 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 04:08:09 PM 2888 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 04:17:19 PM 2874 Views
the pit of doom is hot - 12/06/2012 01:57:18 AM 2361 Views
I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. - 03/05/2012 04:26:42 PM 2918 Views
yes. I sincerely doubt she has that kind of competency - 03/05/2012 05:52:22 PM 2797 Views
Re: I think I like Callandor from TDR better.. - 04/05/2012 11:10:49 AM 2630 Views
Heh - Cannoli-baiting *NM* - 04/05/2012 04:46:51 PM 2063 Views
*NM* - 05/05/2012 09:04:15 PM 1985 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 05:06:19 PM 2534 Views
I really like it - 03/05/2012 05:54:51 PM 2831 Views
The sword grip is not akward or wrong - 03/05/2012 06:20:54 PM 2546 Views
something like this? - 03/05/2012 06:46:59 PM 3138 Views
Its the sword thats not a sword (its a night light!) - 04/05/2012 04:47:27 PM 2546 Views
oh no fair enough! like i said, I just think it looks a little awkward. - 04/05/2012 10:04:21 PM 2529 Views
Me, too! - 12/05/2012 01:18:06 AM 2614 Views
Well... - 03/05/2012 06:09:51 PM 2918 Views
I think it is EG and Nyn - 03/05/2012 06:24:13 PM 2606 Views
Pretty sure it's Mo and Nyn - 03/05/2012 06:40:49 PM 2649 Views
Yeah... - 03/05/2012 07:55:32 PM 2577 Views
when did Nynaeve cut her hair? - 08/05/2012 07:33:04 PM 4157 Views
It was burned off during her testing for the shawl. - 12/06/2012 02:53:43 AM 3427 Views
Egwene is a distinct possibility... - 03/05/2012 11:37:48 PM 2699 Views
She is - 04/05/2012 12:15:21 AM 2797 Views
I don't know... - 04/05/2012 12:25:53 AM 2516 Views
Re: I don't know... - 04/05/2012 02:47:02 AM 2728 Views
I'm not disagreeing with most of that... - 08/05/2012 02:58:53 AM 2404 Views
"You expect me to wise up?" "No, Egwene, I expect you to DIE!" - 11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM 2632 Views
What books have you been reading? - 11/05/2012 01:57:31 AM 2658 Views
I agree - 11/05/2012 02:51:38 PM 2773 Views
The other quotes you requested, as promised. - 13/05/2012 03:29:41 AM 2716 Views
You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting... - 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM 2415 Views
Agreed - 13/05/2012 03:39:12 PM 2519 Views
Exactly... - 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM 2475 Views
Never said she was evil, just wrong. Horribly and tragically wrong. - 14/05/2012 02:34:27 AM 2525 Views
- 14/05/2012 04:23:21 AM 2440 Views
Re- - 21/05/2012 02:43:49 AM 2914 Views
Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. - 14/05/2012 02:21:42 AM 2522 Views
Then she wouldn't be a "protagonist" - 14/05/2012 04:38:34 AM 2459 Views
Again, I never said she is or will become evil. - 21/05/2012 03:03:32 AM 2627 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. - 14/05/2012 08:32:50 AM 2582 Views
Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls. - 21/05/2012 03:28:48 AM 2399 Views
For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 14/05/2012 01:58:26 AM 2603 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 14/05/2012 03:51:31 AM 2822 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 14/05/2012 06:41:32 AM 2584 Views
Yeah... - 14/05/2012 07:47:16 AM 2602 Views
Re: Yeah... - 14/05/2012 04:40:49 PM 2636 Views
Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required. - 21/05/2012 06:21:48 AM 2549 Views
Look at their foreheads - 16/05/2012 08:38:51 AM 2643 Views
Re: I think it is EG and Nyn - 03/05/2012 07:38:36 PM 2609 Views
I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 03/05/2012 09:05:58 PM 2442 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 03/05/2012 11:28:42 PM 2594 Views
Idea - 04/05/2012 10:11:05 AM 2579 Views
Re: Idea - 04/05/2012 12:09:17 PM 2567 Views
Or.... - 04/05/2012 12:19:16 PM 2456 Views
This would explain the hidden hand - 04/05/2012 08:54:00 PM 2595 Views
That's a good point. - 04/05/2012 08:59:41 PM 2742 Views
Nah... - 07/05/2012 01:56:13 PM 2650 Views
Can you draw a blade - 08/05/2012 06:00:28 AM 2584 Views
It depens on the construction of the scabbard - 10/05/2012 01:36:30 PM 2497 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM 1660 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 04/05/2012 07:42:12 PM 2726 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 07/05/2012 08:02:26 PM 2482 Views
Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too - 07/05/2012 09:32:45 PM 2722 Views
Thanks! *NM* - 13/05/2012 10:56:06 AM 2445 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 07:25:37 PM 2449 Views
Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed. - 03/05/2012 07:36:09 PM 2588 Views
It's his left hand Rand lost *NM* - 03/05/2012 08:00:01 PM 2005 Views
Thanks for the imput! *NM* - 03/05/2012 08:24:59 PM 2377 Views
I does not look like Nynaeve and Moiraine - 03/05/2012 11:39:01 PM 2523 Views
Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... - 03/05/2012 11:44:50 PM 2683 Views
Re: Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM.... - 03/05/2012 11:51:02 PM 3506 Views
Am I the only one who sees the red dot in her forehead? *NM* - 09/05/2012 08:36:53 PM 2050 Views
looks *$%$%*@ great *NM* - 04/05/2012 02:47:00 AM 2116 Views
i quite like it! as far as the women go... - 04/05/2012 06:38:10 PM 2661 Views
No Maidens of the Spear - 05/05/2012 05:09:27 PM 2653 Views
Re: No Maidens of the Spear - 07/05/2012 02:02:36 PM 2754 Views
nynaeve with no braid?.... are we sure its not egwene? or did no one tell him the hairstyles? *NM* - 08/05/2012 06:48:49 PM 1920 Views
Nyn cut her braid off. *NM* - 08/05/2012 06:55:02 PM 2170 Views
I thought it was burned off during her test for Aes Sedaihood. *NM* - 08/05/2012 07:25:51 PM 1032 Views
I don't remember this at all *NM* - 08/05/2012 07:51:04 PM 2152 Views
Regarding the identities of the women on the back: - 09/05/2012 08:52:47 PM 2785 Views
What the hell is on the ground close to the bottom edge of the picture? *NM* - 10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM 2100 Views
A misplaced logo? *NM* - 10/05/2012 08:24:52 AM 2026 Views
Possibly one of the Seals? - 11/05/2012 01:42:13 AM 2559 Views
agreed - 10/05/2012 07:16:39 AM 2640 Views
Partially concur - 10/05/2012 01:17:31 PM 2417 Views
She's in the Pit of F*ing Doom. Ben Stein would be excited *NM* - 12/05/2012 04:22:44 AM 978 Views
i agree with the big about how Moiraine should be depicted - 12/05/2012 11:04:53 PM 1518 Views
you can see a second weapon in Rand's belt too - 13/05/2012 08:51:34 PM 1455 Views
That looks pretty cool, better than most of the other WoT covers - 26/06/2012 07:37:29 AM 1269 Views

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