Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls.
Sidious Send a noteboard - 14/05/2012 08:32:50 AM
I'm kind of shocked that anyone thinks that Egwene is in for a fall in the last book. She's going to be one of the principle protagonists.
Just because she doesn't agree with Rand doesn't mean she's in for the plunge. That's a very simplistic way of looking at her character.
Just because she doesn't agree with Rand doesn't mean she's in for the plunge. That's a very simplistic way of looking at her character.
Disputing that would be rather "simplistic," too, no?

It is not merely that she disagrees with Rand, but that she is so adamant about it, to the point of assembling armies and poisoning their friends since childhood against the plan. If she backs down in the event, everything obviously changes, but backing down in confrontations is not exactly Egwenes hallmark, is it? Her habit is to feign submission and immediately begin devising alternate methods to accomplish her unwavering objective. While the series often calls both stubborn, RAND has backed down far more often than Egwene (the case that comes most readily to mind is his abortive war against the Seanchan.) The biggest difference is that Rand has often witnessed, recognized and regretted the high cost of his arrogance and obstinance. For all the talk of "encapsulating leadership," that is not a leadership trait we have seen much in Egwene.
As I say, if she DOES back down, uncharacteristic as that would be, everything changes. If, however, she does not, if she insists on opposing Rands plan to break the Seals with the army she is assembling for that purpose (which would be VERY characteristic,) then the BEST case scenario is the Dragon Reborn publicly and successfully defying the Amyrlins authority literally in front of the whole world. We know Rand must break the Seals as assuredly as Egwene "knows" he must NOT, and before the audience she is gathering, the only possibilities are that she either relents or badly loses a mammoth confrontation. The former is quite inconsistent with her character, leaving the latter the only plausible option. The only question is just how bad the very bad defeat will be.
Of course she will back down in some form. If she deliberately challenged Rand after their meeting at Merillor it could only spell disaster for her and the Aes Sedai - they have no hope of defeating him in any way.
Clearly she wants to put her arguments across to him. She may actually convince him to do a few things, but even if she doesn't, everyone know that Egwene and the rest of the band from Emonds Field are going to rally behind him for the LB. I can't believe you think RJ would plan her demise prior to the LB just to settle a minor contest they've had since childhood.
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The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed.
- 03/05/2012 03:52:14 PM
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Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed.
- 03/05/2012 04:08:09 PM
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I think I like Callandor from TDR better..
- 03/05/2012 04:26:42 PM
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I really like it
- 03/05/2012 05:54:51 PM
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The sword grip is not akward or wrong
- 03/05/2012 06:20:54 PM
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well, for one, I didn't say it was "wrong" so don't jump down my throat.
- 04/05/2012 10:03:06 PM
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If you think that was jumping down your throat... seriously... *NM*
- 07/05/2012 01:51:45 PM
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when I initially read it, it came off that way. I apologize if I misinterpreted you. *NM*
- 09/05/2012 04:58:13 PM
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Its the sword thats not a sword (its a night light!)
- 04/05/2012 04:47:27 PM
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oh no fair enough! like i said, I just think it looks a little awkward.
- 04/05/2012 10:04:21 PM
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Well...
- 03/05/2012 06:09:51 PM
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I think it is EG and Nyn
- 03/05/2012 06:24:13 PM
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Pretty sure it's Mo and Nyn
- 03/05/2012 06:40:49 PM
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Yeah...
- 03/05/2012 07:55:32 PM
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Egwene is a distinct possibility...
- 03/05/2012 11:37:48 PM
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She is
- 04/05/2012 12:15:21 AM
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I don't know...
- 04/05/2012 12:25:53 AM
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Re: I don't know...
- 04/05/2012 02:47:02 AM
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"You expect me to wise up?" "No, Egwene, I expect you to DIE!"
- 11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM
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- 11/05/2012 01:36:09 AM
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What books have you been reading?
- 11/05/2012 01:57:31 AM
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Egwene made many things "clear;" I dug up all the ToM quotes for a post near this time last year
- 11/05/2012 01:12:05 PM
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The other quotes you requested, as promised.
- 13/05/2012 03:29:41 AM
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You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting...
- 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM
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You misinterpreting quotes is hardly worth requoting...
- 13/05/2012 11:36:21 AM
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Agreed
- 13/05/2012 03:39:12 PM
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Exactly...
- 13/05/2012 05:53:17 PM
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Never said she was evil, just wrong. Horribly and tragically wrong.
- 14/05/2012 02:34:27 AM
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Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls.
- 14/05/2012 02:21:42 AM
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Re: Principle protagonists can still experience epic falls.
- 14/05/2012 08:32:50 AM
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For the most part, very little interpretation was required.
- 14/05/2012 01:58:26 AM
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Re: For the most part, very little interpretation was required.
- 14/05/2012 03:51:31 AM
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Re: I think it is EG and Nyn
- 03/05/2012 07:38:36 PM
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I could be wrong, but I believe Rand used Calandor as a sword in the Stone.
- 03/05/2012 08:06:45 PM
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I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too
- 03/05/2012 09:05:58 PM
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Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too
- 03/05/2012 11:28:42 PM
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Idea
- 04/05/2012 10:11:05 AM
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Re: Idea
- 04/05/2012 12:09:17 PM
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This would explain the hidden hand
- 04/05/2012 08:54:00 PM
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Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too
- 04/05/2012 02:49:51 PM
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Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too
- 04/05/2012 07:42:12 PM
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Re: I vote for Nynaeve and Moiraine too
- 07/05/2012 08:02:26 PM
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I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing.
- 11/05/2012 01:35:34 PM
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Re: I actually found the champion/politician split between parallels very convincing.
- 11/05/2012 04:06:50 PM
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Egwenes problem is her knack for seeing the error of her ways without ever LEARNING it.
- 13/05/2012 04:57:27 AM
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The Seanchan assassin...
- 13/05/2012 11:47:53 AM
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You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again.
- 14/05/2012 02:08:26 AM
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Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again.
- 14/05/2012 04:08:11 AM
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Re: You do realize she drew her own (false but firm) conclusions based on a dearth of data. Again.
- 21/05/2012 01:59:15 AM
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looks a little 'naughty pirate novel' but is pretty fricken awesome!
*NM*
- 03/05/2012 06:50:42 PM
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*NM*
- 03/05/2012 06:50:42 PM
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Re: The cover for A Memory of Light is revealed.
- 03/05/2012 07:25:37 PM
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I does not look like Nynaeve and Moiraine
- 03/05/2012 11:39:01 PM
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Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM....
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Re: Nynaeve has cut her braid and has her hair shoulder length in TOM....
- 03/05/2012 11:51:02 PM
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nynaeve with no braid?.... are we sure its not egwene? or did no one tell him the hairstyles? *NM*
- 08/05/2012 06:48:49 PM
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Nyn cut her braid off. *NM*
- 08/05/2012 06:55:02 PM
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I thought it was burned off during her test for Aes Sedaihood. *NM*
- 08/05/2012 07:25:51 PM
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Right, my mistake. Then she cut her hair to make it straight again. *NM*
- 08/05/2012 08:54:33 PM
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Regarding the identities of the women on the back:
- 09/05/2012 08:52:47 PM
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What the hell is on the ground close to the bottom edge of the picture?
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- 10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM
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*NM*
- 10/05/2012 05:55:07 AM
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It's Michael Whelan's signature. I looked it up and found it in a different book cover *NM*
- 11/05/2012 07:05:22 AM
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That looks pretty cool, better than most of the other WoT covers
- 26/06/2012 07:37:29 AM
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