Simple or unsubtle forms or Compulsion clearly have existed for a long time ... Liandrin is a perfect example, she's clearly effected by what was done to her, but it took a while for the effects to be clear. The Liandrin we see toward the end of the series is a totally different person from the early books. Even before she was broken by Suroth, the weave itself broke her by making her only concern "LIVE" ... despite what must have been a dibilitating need to Channel.
However ... more complex/subtle forms have always been shown to take time. Graendal and Ishamael are the only people we've seen use this form. Moghedien and Rahvin used blunt force which backfired on both of them. Certainly all of the Forsaken are aware that there are more "refined" methods, but that by no means says they are capable of doing it. Much like Graendal and Moghedien could talk about Healing weaves they could not themselves perform.
Aran'gar's compelling of Ramshalan is in no way shown to be "subtle" .... she merely tossed a weave on him ... we actually know more of Delana's weave which Nynaeve could see. With no time to see what possible differences in Ramshalan there is no evidence that Aran'gar managed a subtle compullsion on short notice.
However ... more complex/subtle forms have always been shown to take time. Graendal and Ishamael are the only people we've seen use this form. Moghedien and Rahvin used blunt force which backfired on both of them. Certainly all of the Forsaken are aware that there are more "refined" methods, but that by no means says they are capable of doing it. Much like Graendal and Moghedien could talk about Healing weaves they could not themselves perform.
Aran'gar's compelling of Ramshalan is in no way shown to be "subtle" .... she merely tossed a weave on him ... we actually know more of Delana's weave which Nynaeve could see. With no time to see what possible differences in Ramshalan there is no evidence that Aran'gar managed a subtle compullsion on short notice.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Egwene under compulsion
- 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM
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- 17/05/2012 08:27:50 AM
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To add to that
- 17/05/2012 01:46:02 PM
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Re: To add to that
- 18/05/2012 06:04:07 AM
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Re: To add to that
- 18/05/2012 08:58:23 AM
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Re: To add to that
- 19/05/2012 04:00:49 AM
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Re: Egwene under compulsion
- 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM
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Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge"
- 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM
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Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge"
- 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM
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Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing.
- 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM
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Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing.
- 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM
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Fair point on Ishamael
- 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM
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Re: Fair point on Ishamael
- 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM
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You are over simplifying it I think
- 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM
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Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge"
- 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM
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- 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM
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The Headaches
- 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM
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I always thought the headaches were just something Aran'gar did to get close to Egwene
- 19/05/2012 04:10:32 PM
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Re: Egwene under compulsion
- 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM
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Like I said before...
- 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM
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Re: Like I said before...
- 20/05/2012 08:57:17 PM
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Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things
- 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM
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Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things
- 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM
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No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary
- 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM
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Why bother? She's Egwene, and served the Shadow's end of her own free will
- 21/05/2012 11:13:26 PM
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Re: Why bother? She's Egwene, and served the Shadow's end of her own free will
- 22/05/2012 08:22:46 AM
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