So, Mat is going to Ebou Dar, eh? Wonder what that means for the Tower invasion. Mat will put an end to it if he makes it on time, but will he? Did RJ really plan to have two Seanchan invasions of the Tower in one book? And is Moiraine with Mat, as seems likely, or is she in Merrilor?
IMO, Mat leaves for Ebou Dar after Merrilor.
I guess there's a possibility Mat makes the decision on his own after witnessing the loss of Caemlyn to the Shadow (nice to see this confirmed at last, that's been a pet theory for several books now...) and upon hearing the WT did get attacked by the Seanchan. Mat is a military genius and he's going to see this in military terms (and he's got Moirane and Thom to discuss the politics with him). It's far from impossible he coldly calculates the Light has either lost without an alliance with Tuon, or far more interestingly, that the only way to avoid the Seanchan clashing with the Light, he must convince the Empress to give her Prince of Ravens the command of her armies for Tarmon Gai'don (in a mirror/parallel of Barid Bel Medar's betrayal... Mat would do this to serve the Light, but that wouldn't sit well with Egwene... possibly not even with Rand though that's less sure. I guess this could be the whole "I would never betray you" comment from Mat's PS trip. Not the Shadow... Mat resurfacing at the head of the Seanchan armies when the Seanchan are still enemies. And it's Mat who will have these armies fight the Shadow, not the Light. I can even see one obvious way he might do that.. by demonstrating to the Seanchan generals and Tuon their planned attack on Caemlyn will totally fail, and how he'd lead that battle... knowing all along but not telling it's now the Shadow the Seanchan will face there. That's how his reputation among generals grew originally, and how he found himself playing key strategic roles. Mat can be as crafty as a fox. If he can convince Tuon of his worth, and she's all but figured it out on her own already, he might manage to deceive her.) That would be a way in wich the alliance between the Seanchan and the rest only comes once the LB is well under way and the strength of the Shadow leaves them no other options but to unite. By then, Mat would probably be as popular and revered among the Seanchan soldiers and officers than he is (soon, was?) with the Band... perhaps more than Tuon herself...
An interesting question is whether Mat will have lost the Band of the Red Hand in Caemlyn or not (or rather to what extent). In the TW, their forerunner all perished to buy time for the population of Manetheren to flee the Shadow. I could see Talmanes doing this if he sees they have no hope of winning that battle (interesting too that with the recent merger, he's now one of Elayne's lords... the Band is definitely Elayne's "Severed Hand, not hers". A kind of replay of Manetheren's fall is certainly not impossible. We can't know for sure the Light will hear of the fall of Caemlyn before returning, Elayne may face a losing battle on her return (could she pull another heroic stunt and Travel into the occupied palace, for instance to insure her ter'angreal collection don't fall in the Shadow's hands... there may be developments at Merrilor to justify something like this... and Elayne "can't die".). There's no solid foreshadowing concerning the role of the Band in the LB.
Moiraine? *shrugs*. It depends on too many factors. For all we know, Mat's party returning from Ghenjei might reach Caemlyn after Merrilor (the timeline is so vague, all options are possible.. before, during, after). The timeline is going to massively affect the options for Moiraine's next move. She could stay with Mat until he returns to Rand, she could leave if Rand's location is known. She could also decide to go to Egwene in Tar Valon (where if things went wrong at Merrilor, she might be extremely useful, if only to remind Egwene of what she did herself, what she called "remembering how to control saidar" - a comment which had quite puzzled Egwene at the time).
What second attack on TV are we speaking of?
Jordan got us fooled, convincing most of us the dream of the Seanchan attack and the dream with the Seanchan woman were linked. They were not. In the second dream, the one she interrupted, Egwene is obviously in trouble or unable to see the light at the end of a tunnel, but it doesn't necessarily foreshadows an attack.
In KOD, the Seanchan military planned two attacks. There were two maps. One of them was Tar Valon, we don't know for sure what the second one was, but it's a good bet it was Caemlyn/the BT. I doubt the meant to hit TV a second time, even with Travelling.
And Egwene thinks Rand is mad? Where did this come from?
She doubted his sanity during and after their meeting remember.
Egwene hasn't yet met anyone who could convince her Rand is (now again) quite sane. She didn't know the man she met wasn't the man she's heard all those disturbing reports about.
Min, Cadsuane, Tam, the Borderlands rulers are some of those people who know better. None of these people will meet Egwene before Merrilor, presumably.
This message last edited by DomA on 21/05/2012 at 09:55:13 PM
aMoL UK cover and Blurb (SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!)
- 21/05/2012 06:44:26 PM
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Thoughts...
- 21/05/2012 06:46:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
- 21/05/2012 08:45:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
- 21/05/2012 09:04:09 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
- 21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM
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Mat and the madness...
- 21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM
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Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad
- 21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM
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Not Egwene though...
- 21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM
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Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
- 21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM
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Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
- 22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM
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Re: Mat and the madness...
- 22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM
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Rand's dreams...
- 22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM
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She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney
- 22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM
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Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her.
- 21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM
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Oh read the books will you?
- 21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM
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I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author.
- 22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
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What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn."
- 22/05/2012 02:12:25 PM
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As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar
- 22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM
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At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
- 22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM
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Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
- 23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM
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Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
- 23/05/2012 08:53:53 PM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
- 23/05/2012 09:01:10 PM
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It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
- 23/05/2012 09:22:47 PM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
- 24/05/2012 07:34:40 AM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
- 25/05/2012 01:23:21 AM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
- 24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM
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Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
- 24/05/2012 07:04:02 PM
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Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
- 26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM
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Agreed...
- 26/05/2012 09:57:06 PM
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I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends
- 26/05/2012 10:37:44 PM
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Re: Agreed...
- 27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM
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I think you're both wrong...
- 27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM
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I'm sure that is part of it, but I very much doubt he is thinking in terms of succession
- 27/05/2012 01:41:37 PM
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I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
- 28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM
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Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
- 28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM
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That makes no sense
- 28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM
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Taringail was Laman's heir...
- 28/05/2012 07:20:07 PM
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You are answering the wrong question
- 29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM
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No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it.
- 29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM
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Yet not one of these things actually happened
- 29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM
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You're being absurd...
- 30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM
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Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
- 30/05/2012 05:48:48 AM
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- 30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM
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- 30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM
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Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne?
- 30/05/2012 06:22:08 AM
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We don't fully know...
- 30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM
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You just flipped your last statement
- 30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM
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You seem extremely confused...
- 30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM
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Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
- 30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM
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Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
- 30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM
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I am not contesting the information we have
- 30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM
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You're impossible...
- 30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM
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Re: Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
- 30/05/2012 02:22:21 PM
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See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that
- 30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM
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Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear....
- 30/05/2012 10:50:33 PM
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Re: That makes no sense
- 29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM
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Only one other thing...
- 29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM
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No. If that was the case Taringail would have been King of Cairhien and not have married Morgase *NM*
- 30/05/2012 05:52:18 AM
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Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP
- 30/05/2012 06:07:48 AM
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Bryne was First Prince Regent.
- 30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM
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No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
- 26/05/2012 10:33:20 PM
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Re: No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
- 27/05/2012 03:23:12 AM
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Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
- 27/05/2012 01:50:19 PM
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Re: Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
- 27/05/2012 06:44:41 PM
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I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
- 28/05/2012 02:10:14 AM
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Re: I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
- 28/05/2012 03:33:18 PM
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one *NM*
- 28/05/2012 05:18:40 PM
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He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon.
- 25/05/2012 03:40:54 AM
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*NM*