I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
Egwene has made multiple comments indicating she doesn't think Rand is mad. Despite his best efforts to convince her otherwise.
Then she should trust him. I admire your guts taking up such an indefensible position, but Egwene has kind of boxed you in.Remember when he proposed the radical idea of killing one of the Forsaken, and thought that because an Aiel army 1/3 the size of his own took on a dozen nations without losing, he might somehow be capable of fighting two countries at once? She thought that was madness, too.
Yes, because of the huge loss of life that would entail, and based on how the nations previously reacted to an Aiel invasion.
The Aiel had already invaded. He would not be unduly exacerbating any negative reaction at that point. Also, massive loss of life was going to happen no matter what. But then, Egwene has taken for her mentor a woman whom St. Moiraine criticized for having the wrong attitude toward collateral damage "But the world will burn no matter what we do, Siuan. You could never see that."
Anyone who wants to gain anything cheaply will get exactly what she pays for. Rand & Bashere, in the final scene, discuss the fact that there will be a heavy price to pay. Egwene, with not much less experience of the world than Rand, is still in her childhood naivety stage...just as she still is in ToM. She wants Rand to make the world all right without suffering the cost of clearing the rubble so he can build something that will last - Egwene has chosen to wed herself to an obsolete institution, and this mindset carries over to her view of matters with Tarmon Gaidon approaching. She's so attached to the crumbling cliff, she won't take a step off to climb to safety. Honestly, it's like she missed the biggest lesson by example that she could have learned from the Wise Ones, who from the day she arrived in the Three-Fold Land, were running around trying to do exactly that. They accepted that they could not cling to their old familiar ways, and that they would have to embrace the otherwise unthinkable changes their savior brought in hopes of there being anything to save.
I wonder if that's going to be the significance of the Seanchan woman - getting her to "break her block" as it were, and embrace the unthinkable, abandon her old attachments, and save what she can. She's so proud of doing that with her friends and homeland, but she can't when it matters. She toss away important stuff to chase an illusory ideal of an institution, but she can't step away from a deteriorating situation to take the risk that is their only chance.
This is what she couldn't see in tFoH, either. Sure, the Light is risking their whole cause when Rand goes into danger, but that's the only way they are going to make any progress. The good guys only have a few chips, so in order to get any kind of substantial pot, they have keep going all in.
And if you know you have three ta'veren on your side, what better time to make a huge gamble? But this is Egwene, who sniffs at gambling, and calls just about every necessary risk "madness".
Madness? THIS! IS! WHEEL OF TIME!
Cannoli
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"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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- 21/05/2012 06:44:26 PM
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Thoughts...
- 21/05/2012 06:46:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
- 21/05/2012 08:45:41 PM
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- 21/05/2012 09:04:09 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
- 21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM
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Mat and the madness...
- 21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM
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Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad
- 21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM
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Not Egwene though...
- 21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM
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Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
- 21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM
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Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
- 22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM
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Re: Mat and the madness...
- 22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM
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Rand's dreams...
- 22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM
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She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney
- 22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM
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Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her.
- 21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM
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Oh read the books will you?
- 21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM
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I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author.
- 22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
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What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn."
- 22/05/2012 02:12:25 PM
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As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar
- 22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM
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At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
- 22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM
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Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
- 23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM
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Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
- 23/05/2012 08:53:53 PM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
- 23/05/2012 09:01:10 PM
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It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
- 23/05/2012 09:22:47 PM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
- 24/05/2012 07:34:40 AM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
- 25/05/2012 01:23:21 AM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
- 24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM
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Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
- 24/05/2012 07:04:02 PM
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Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
- 26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM
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Agreed...
- 26/05/2012 09:57:06 PM
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I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends
- 26/05/2012 10:37:44 PM
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Re: Agreed...
- 27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM
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I think you're both wrong...
- 27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM
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I'm sure that is part of it, but I very much doubt he is thinking in terms of succession
- 27/05/2012 01:41:37 PM
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I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
- 28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM
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Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
- 28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM
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That makes no sense
- 28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM
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Taringail was Laman's heir...
- 28/05/2012 07:20:07 PM
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You are answering the wrong question
- 29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM
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No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it.
- 29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM
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Yet not one of these things actually happened
- 29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM
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You're being absurd...
- 30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM
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Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
- 30/05/2012 05:48:48 AM
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- 30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM
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- 30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM
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Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne?
- 30/05/2012 06:22:08 AM
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We don't fully know...
- 30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM
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You just flipped your last statement
- 30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM
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You seem extremely confused...
- 30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM
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Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
- 30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM
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Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
- 30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM
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I am not contesting the information we have
- 30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM
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You're impossible...
- 30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM
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Re: Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
- 30/05/2012 02:22:21 PM
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See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that
- 30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM
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Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear....
- 30/05/2012 10:50:33 PM
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Re: That makes no sense
- 29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM
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Only one other thing...
- 29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM
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No. If that was the case Taringail would have been King of Cairhien and not have married Morgase *NM*
- 30/05/2012 05:52:18 AM
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Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP
- 30/05/2012 06:07:48 AM
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Bryne was First Prince Regent.
- 30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM
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No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
- 26/05/2012 10:33:20 PM
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- 27/05/2012 03:23:12 AM
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Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
- 27/05/2012 01:50:19 PM
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- 27/05/2012 06:44:41 PM
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I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
- 28/05/2012 02:10:14 AM
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Re: I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
- 28/05/2012 03:33:18 PM
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one *NM*
- 28/05/2012 05:18:40 PM
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He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon.
- 25/05/2012 03:40:54 AM
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*NM*