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I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
Egwene has made multiple comments indicating she doesn't think Rand is mad. Despite his best efforts to convince her otherwise.
Then she should trust him. I admire your guts taking up such an indefensible position, but Egwene has kind of boxed you in.

Remember when he proposed the radical idea of killing one of the Forsaken, and thought that because an Aiel army 1/3 the size of his own took on a dozen nations without losing, he might somehow be capable of fighting two countries at once? She thought that was madness, too.

Yes, because of the huge loss of life that would entail, and based on how the nations previously reacted to an Aiel invasion.

The Aiel had already invaded. He would not be unduly exacerbating any negative reaction at that point. Also, massive loss of life was going to happen no matter what. But then, Egwene has taken for her mentor a woman whom St. Moiraine criticized for having the wrong attitude toward collateral damage "But the world will burn no matter what we do, Siuan. You could never see that."

Anyone who wants to gain anything cheaply will get exactly what she pays for. Rand & Bashere, in the final scene, discuss the fact that there will be a heavy price to pay. Egwene, with not much less experience of the world than Rand, is still in her childhood naivety stage...just as she still is in ToM. She wants Rand to make the world all right without suffering the cost of clearing the rubble so he can build something that will last - Egwene has chosen to wed herself to an obsolete institution, and this mindset carries over to her view of matters with Tarmon Gaidon approaching. She's so attached to the crumbling cliff, she won't take a step off to climb to safety. Honestly, it's like she missed the biggest lesson by example that she could have learned from the Wise Ones, who from the day she arrived in the Three-Fold Land, were running around trying to do exactly that. They accepted that they could not cling to their old familiar ways, and that they would have to embrace the otherwise unthinkable changes their savior brought in hopes of there being anything to save.

I wonder if that's going to be the significance of the Seanchan woman - getting her to "break her block" as it were, and embrace the unthinkable, abandon her old attachments, and save what she can. She's so proud of doing that with her friends and homeland, but she can't when it matters. She toss away important stuff to chase an illusory ideal of an institution, but she can't step away from a deteriorating situation to take the risk that is their only chance.

This is what she couldn't see in tFoH, either. Sure, the Light is risking their whole cause when Rand goes into danger, but that's the only way they are going to make any progress. The good guys only have a few chips, so in order to get any kind of substantial pot, they have keep going all in.

And if you know you have three ta'veren on your side, what better time to make a huge gamble? But this is Egwene, who sniffs at gambling, and calls just about every necessary risk "madness".

Madness? THIS! IS! WHEEL OF TIME!
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
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aMoL UK cover and Blurb (SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!) - 21/05/2012 06:44:26 PM 2829 Views
Thoughts... - 21/05/2012 06:46:41 PM 1333 Views
Re: Thoughts... - 21/05/2012 08:04:29 PM 1251 Views
Re: Thoughts... - 21/05/2012 08:45:41 PM 1194 Views
Re: Thoughts... - 21/05/2012 09:04:09 PM 1343 Views
*nods in agreement* *NM* - 21/05/2012 10:46:48 PM 444 Views
Re: Thoughts... - 21/05/2012 11:08:50 PM 1190 Views
Re: Thoughts... - 22/05/2012 01:02:16 AM 1231 Views
Re: Thoughts... - 21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM 1253 Views
Mat and the madness... - 21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM 1197 Views
Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad - 21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM 1214 Views
Not Egwene though... - 21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM 1030 Views
Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness - 21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM 1004 Views
Fair enough. - 21/05/2012 11:31:10 PM 1038 Views
Agreed that it's an odd blurb - 21/05/2012 11:45:03 PM 1075 Views
Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness - 22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM 1079 Views
I was thinking about that... - 22/05/2012 02:35:25 AM 989 Views
Re: I was thinking about that... - 22/05/2012 03:41:48 AM 1043 Views
Re: Mat and the madness... - 22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM 1136 Views
Rand's dreams... - 22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM 1073 Views
She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney - 22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM 1215 Views
I'd like some evidence for this. - 22/05/2012 04:14:27 AM 1002 Views
It's still ingrained in the society - 22/05/2012 01:28:05 PM 1112 Views
Moridin and the link - 28/05/2012 01:45:43 AM 941 Views
Re: Thoughts... - 23/05/2012 01:06:10 PM 1017 Views
Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her. - 21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM 1192 Views
Oh read the books will you? - 21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM 1172 Views
I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author. - 22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM 1160 Views
What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn." - 22/05/2012 02:12:25 PM 1083 Views
As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar - 22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM 1240 Views
At this stage, all roads lead to Rand. - 22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM 1011 Views
Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand. - 23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM 1108 Views
Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon. - 23/05/2012 08:53:53 PM 1019 Views
Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon. - 24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM 1153 Views
Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel... - 24/05/2012 07:04:02 PM 1431 Views
Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel... - 26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM 1593 Views
Agreed... - 26/05/2012 09:57:06 PM 1112 Views
I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends - 26/05/2012 10:37:44 PM 987 Views
Re: Agreed... - 27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM 1059 Views
I think you're both wrong... - 27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM 1062 Views
Re: I think you're both wrong... - 27/05/2012 07:10:08 PM 1055 Views
I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander - 28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM 1076 Views
Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander - 28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM 1011 Views
That makes no sense - 28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM 1054 Views
Taringail was Laman's heir... - 28/05/2012 07:20:07 PM 1012 Views
You are answering the wrong question - 29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM 965 Views
No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it. - 29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM 1030 Views
Yet not one of these things actually happened - 29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM 1027 Views
You're being absurd... - 30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM 974 Views
Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then - 30/05/2012 05:48:48 AM 970 Views
- 30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM 937 Views
Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne? - 30/05/2012 06:22:08 AM 1102 Views
We don't fully know... - 30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM 849 Views
You just flipped your last statement - 30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM 1086 Views
You seem extremely confused... - 30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM 1011 Views
Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have - 30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM 978 Views
Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have - 30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM 1148 Views
I am not contesting the information we have - 30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM 1089 Views
You're impossible... - 30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM 1005 Views
Wow ... Not sure what is bringing out the aggression - 30/05/2012 10:19:18 PM 942 Views
*sigh* - 30/05/2012 11:45:28 PM 1018 Views
DomA swore *NM* - 31/05/2012 03:39:24 PM 1101 Views
Re: That makes no sense - 29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM 1148 Views
Only one other thing... - 29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM 869 Views
Re: Only one other thing... - 30/05/2012 12:32:58 PM 926 Views
Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP - 30/05/2012 06:07:48 AM 1000 Views
Bryne was First Prince Regent. - 30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM 957 Views
Fair enough ... Thanks for providing a quote - 30/05/2012 06:22:52 AM 1149 Views
Re: Fair enough ... Thanks for providing a quote - 30/05/2012 04:38:29 PM 980 Views
No he wasn't - 30/05/2012 04:16:02 PM 952 Views
No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal - 26/05/2012 10:33:20 PM 892 Views
Re: No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal - 27/05/2012 03:23:12 AM 978 Views
Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal - 27/05/2012 01:50:19 PM 947 Views
Re: Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal - 27/05/2012 06:44:41 PM 1110 Views
I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage - 28/05/2012 02:10:14 AM 1070 Views
He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon. - 25/05/2012 03:40:54 AM 1305 Views
Soon might be relative... - 27/05/2012 02:08:53 AM 1491 Views
Sul'dam - 27/05/2012 09:03:57 AM 1336 Views
Re: Sul'dam - 27/05/2012 05:54:57 PM 1082 Views
Right, then; here we go.... - 03/06/2012 08:45:20 AM 943 Views
Re: As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar - 23/05/2012 05:28:17 PM 1005 Views
I think I read a fan fiction like that once *NM* - 23/05/2012 08:04:42 PM 582 Views

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