Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
DomA Send a noteboard - 26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM
... except of course there's a heavy suspicion that Aviendha's vision was either just a possible future, or that the programming of the ter'angreal has been tampered with since the Forsaken could access Rhuidean once the shield was no longer there.
Aviendha's vision can be summarized as: following Rand and his plans lead to your extinction by the Seanchan even if he wins the LB. That put pressure on the Aiel, and it's lucky this vision was seen by Aviendha and not a WO already doubting Rand.
That's not enough to prove the Shadow has touched the programming of that ter'angreal, but it's not impossible to discount it either, not when the Forsaken have gotten free access to it since the shield in Rhuidean in gone.
Of course Rand will serve the Seanchan as he serves everyone else: as the Creator's champion. I can imagine performing some little act of humility/apology, but I seriously doubt he will bend knee in the sense the Seanchan understand it any time soon.
The only way this could happen is if Rand decides to announce officially (he's already said it to his inner circle) that he isn't meant to lead the world, that his role is to fight the Shadow as the Servant of All and he symbolically bends knee to the world, and thus that includes the Crystal Throne. Otherwise, Rand bending knee to Fortuona alone would amount to legitimizing her claim of political hegemony, and alienate all the other rulers Rand doesn't bend knee to.
As for the "binding the Nine Moons" to him, there are two main ways to see it. The first is that it refers to the Seanchan High Blood and Imperial line, who are the courtisans of the Empress. Those courtisans and the physical location itself are called the Court of the Nine Moons. The second way to interpret it is that it was referring to the Daughter of the Nine Moons, and thus to Tuon, not to Fortuona the Empress, and that gives us a timeline.... The propheciezed binding thus already occured by Tuon's wedding to Mat (he joined the Court of the Nine Moons as Prince of Ravens), we just haven't seen yet how Mat's wedding will eventually bring the Seanchan behind the rest of the Light, except we know he's now returning to Ebou Dar to meet his wife.
Aviendha's vision can be summarized as: following Rand and his plans lead to your extinction by the Seanchan even if he wins the LB. That put pressure on the Aiel, and it's lucky this vision was seen by Aviendha and not a WO already doubting Rand.
That's not enough to prove the Shadow has touched the programming of that ter'angreal, but it's not impossible to discount it either, not when the Forsaken have gotten free access to it since the shield in Rhuidean in gone.
Of course Rand will serve the Seanchan as he serves everyone else: as the Creator's champion. I can imagine performing some little act of humility/apology, but I seriously doubt he will bend knee in the sense the Seanchan understand it any time soon.
The only way this could happen is if Rand decides to announce officially (he's already said it to his inner circle) that he isn't meant to lead the world, that his role is to fight the Shadow as the Servant of All and he symbolically bends knee to the world, and thus that includes the Crystal Throne. Otherwise, Rand bending knee to Fortuona alone would amount to legitimizing her claim of political hegemony, and alienate all the other rulers Rand doesn't bend knee to.
As for the "binding the Nine Moons" to him, there are two main ways to see it. The first is that it refers to the Seanchan High Blood and Imperial line, who are the courtisans of the Empress. Those courtisans and the physical location itself are called the Court of the Nine Moons. The second way to interpret it is that it was referring to the Daughter of the Nine Moons, and thus to Tuon, not to Fortuona the Empress, and that gives us a timeline.... The propheciezed binding thus already occured by Tuon's wedding to Mat (he joined the Court of the Nine Moons as Prince of Ravens), we just haven't seen yet how Mat's wedding will eventually bring the Seanchan behind the rest of the Light, except we know he's now returning to Ebou Dar to meet his wife.
This message last edited by DomA on 26/05/2012 at 09:44:18 PM
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Thoughts...
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Re: Thoughts...
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Re: Thoughts...
- 21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM
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Mat and the madness...
- 21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM
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Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad
- 21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM
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Not Egwene though...
- 21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM
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Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
- 21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM
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Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
- 22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM
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Re: Mat and the madness...
- 22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM
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Rand's dreams...
- 22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM
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She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney
- 22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM
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Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her.
- 21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM
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Oh read the books will you?
- 21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM
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I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author.
- 22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
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What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn."
- 22/05/2012 02:12:25 PM
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As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar
- 22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM
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At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
- 22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM
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Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
- 23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM
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Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
- 23/05/2012 08:53:53 PM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
- 23/05/2012 09:01:10 PM
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It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
- 23/05/2012 09:22:47 PM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
- 24/05/2012 07:34:40 AM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
- 25/05/2012 01:23:21 AM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
- 24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM
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Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
- 24/05/2012 07:04:02 PM
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Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
- 26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM
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Agreed...
- 26/05/2012 09:57:06 PM
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I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends
- 26/05/2012 10:37:44 PM
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Re: Agreed...
- 27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM
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I think you're both wrong...
- 27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM
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I'm sure that is part of it, but I very much doubt he is thinking in terms of succession
- 27/05/2012 01:41:37 PM
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I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
- 28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM
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Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
- 28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM
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That makes no sense
- 28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM
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Taringail was Laman's heir...
- 28/05/2012 07:20:07 PM
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You are answering the wrong question
- 29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM
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No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it.
- 29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM
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Yet not one of these things actually happened
- 29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM
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You're being absurd...
- 30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM
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Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
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- 30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM
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Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne?
- 30/05/2012 06:22:08 AM
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We don't fully know...
- 30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM
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You just flipped your last statement
- 30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM
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You seem extremely confused...
- 30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM
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Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
- 30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM
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Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
- 30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM
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I am not contesting the information we have
- 30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM
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You're impossible...
- 30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM
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Re: Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
- 30/05/2012 02:22:21 PM
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See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that
- 30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM
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Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear....
- 30/05/2012 10:50:33 PM
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Re: That makes no sense
- 29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM
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Only one other thing...
- 29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM
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No. If that was the case Taringail would have been King of Cairhien and not have married Morgase *NM*
- 30/05/2012 05:52:18 AM
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Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP
- 30/05/2012 06:07:48 AM
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Bryne was First Prince Regent.
- 30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM
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No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
- 26/05/2012 10:33:20 PM
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Re: No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
- 27/05/2012 03:23:12 AM
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Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
- 27/05/2012 01:50:19 PM
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Re: Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
- 27/05/2012 06:44:41 PM
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I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
- 28/05/2012 02:10:14 AM
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Re: I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
- 28/05/2012 03:33:18 PM
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one *NM*
- 28/05/2012 05:18:40 PM
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He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon.
- 25/05/2012 03:40:54 AM
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