You seem to have no idea of the timing of events relevant to the discussion:
1) When Taringail married Tigraine, he didn't marry into Mantear. Thus, he was still Laman's heir. Thus, his son, who was born at this time, was named a Damodred, to fulfil the idea of a brother and sister eventually occupying Andor and Cairhein's thrones.
2) Tigraine ran away, leaving Taringail her "widower". Taringail was still Laman's heir to Cairhein's throne.
3) Morghase won the Civil War, and married Taringail. However, she insisted he marry into Trakand. This happened before the Aiel war. Thus, when the Aiel war began, Taringail had been removed from the line of succession of Cairhein. When Laman died, this was the reason he didn't automatically become king. Jarna explains it in NS.
4) The Fourth War of Succession in Cairhein begins. We have evidence that Taringail did play the Game of Houses here (on Galad's behalf). However, with Taringail's removal from the line, and Galad's young age, and the Tower's support for Moiraine, there was sufficient dilution of support for Damodred that Riatin was able to gain the throne. This was not because Riatin had a better claim, but because they were able to enforce the claim better.
5) This ended Taringail's dream of a son as King of Cairhein. At this point, however, he was still heir to Hight Seat of House Damodred as the guide informs us. The real question is why he wasn't confirmed as such at this point. Could it be tepid support from Morghase? Could it be that other Damodred cousins did not want a "Trakand" to easily take the High Seat? Either way, the guide makes it clear that when Riatin got the throne, the High Seat of Damodred was still up for grabs.
6) Taringail was still plotting to become High Seat and remove Galldrian, when he was assassinated by Thom. This explains the wide belief that House Riatin assassinated Taringail to prevent further scheming from him.
The critical thing here is that when Taringail was married to Tigraine, he was not barred from the throne of Cairhein. That happened only when he married Morghase.
ETA: And here's the proof for that-
That's conclusive proof that Tigraine married into Damodred. Since Elayne would have been a Damodred if Morghase married into Damodred, the fact that Galad is a Damodred proves Tigraine did marry into that House.
1) When Taringail married Tigraine, he didn't marry into Mantear. Thus, he was still Laman's heir. Thus, his son, who was born at this time, was named a Damodred, to fulfil the idea of a brother and sister eventually occupying Andor and Cairhein's thrones.
2) Tigraine ran away, leaving Taringail her "widower". Taringail was still Laman's heir to Cairhein's throne.
3) Morghase won the Civil War, and married Taringail. However, she insisted he marry into Trakand. This happened before the Aiel war. Thus, when the Aiel war began, Taringail had been removed from the line of succession of Cairhein. When Laman died, this was the reason he didn't automatically become king. Jarna explains it in NS.
4) The Fourth War of Succession in Cairhein begins. We have evidence that Taringail did play the Game of Houses here (on Galad's behalf). However, with Taringail's removal from the line, and Galad's young age, and the Tower's support for Moiraine, there was sufficient dilution of support for Damodred that Riatin was able to gain the throne. This was not because Riatin had a better claim, but because they were able to enforce the claim better.
5) This ended Taringail's dream of a son as King of Cairhein. At this point, however, he was still heir to Hight Seat of House Damodred as the guide informs us. The real question is why he wasn't confirmed as such at this point. Could it be tepid support from Morghase? Could it be that other Damodred cousins did not want a "Trakand" to easily take the High Seat? Either way, the guide makes it clear that when Riatin got the throne, the High Seat of Damodred was still up for grabs.
6) Taringail was still plotting to become High Seat and remove Galldrian, when he was assassinated by Thom. This explains the wide belief that House Riatin assassinated Taringail to prevent further scheming from him.
The critical thing here is that when Taringail was married to Tigraine, he was not barred from the throne of Cairhein. That happened only when he married Morghase.
ETA: And here's the proof for that-
"Ten?" Dobraine said. "I had only one visit. I thought she was disappointed when I made it clear I had sworn fealty to the Lord Dragon. But whether ten or one, Colavaere is the key. She knows as well as any that the Lord Dragon means the Sun Throne for Elayne Trakand." He grimaced. "Elayne Damodred, she should be. Taringail should have insisted Morgase marry into Damodred instead of marrying into Trakand himself; she needed him enough to have done it.
That's conclusive proof that Tigraine married into Damodred. Since Elayne would have been a Damodred if Morghase married into Damodred, the fact that Galad is a Damodred proves Tigraine did marry into that House.
This message last edited by fionwe1987 on 30/05/2012 at 06:16:40 AM
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Thoughts...
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM
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Mat and the madness...
21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM
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Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad
21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM
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Not Egwene though...
21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM
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Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM
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Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM
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Re: Mat and the madness...
22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM
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Rand's dreams...
22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM
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She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney
22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM
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Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her.
21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM
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Oh read the books will you?
21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM
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I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author.
22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
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What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn."
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As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar
22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM
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At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM
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Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM
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Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
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It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM
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Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
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Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
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Agreed...
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I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends
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Re: Agreed...
27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM
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I think you're both wrong...
27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM
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I'm sure that is part of it, but I very much doubt he is thinking in terms of succession
27/05/2012 01:41:37 PM
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I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM
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Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM
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That makes no sense
28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM
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Taringail was Laman's heir...
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You are answering the wrong question
29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM
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No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it.
29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM
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Yet not one of these things actually happened
29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM
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You're being absurd...
30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM
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Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
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Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne?
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We don't fully know...
30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM
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You just flipped your last statement
30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM
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You seem extremely confused...
30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM
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Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM
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Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM
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I am not contesting the information we have
30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM
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You're impossible...
30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM
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Re: Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
30/05/2012 02:22:21 PM
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See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that
30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM
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Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear....
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Re: That makes no sense
29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM
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Only one other thing...
29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM
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No. If that was the case Taringail would have been King of Cairhien and not have married Morgase *NM*
30/05/2012 05:52:18 AM
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Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP
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Bryne was First Prince Regent.
30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM
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No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
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Re: No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
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Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
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I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
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Re: I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one *NM*
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He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon.
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