Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear....
DomA Send a noteboard - 30/05/2012 10:50:33 PM
Mantear had one Hier, and an ironclad succession, while Damodred had several candidates other than Taringale ...
Because of Galad's penis and matrilinearity, Mantear had no such thing as "ironclad succession" beyond Tigraine, and if Galad remained an only child, that the main line would have to let go of the High Seat to a junior line was nothing next to the distaster that House Mantear as a whole would lose the Lion Throne because it had run out of any female offspring who could succeed Tigraine. Mantear still had plenty of males relatives, the High Seat itself was never in danger.
Had Galad been her only child, he may not have inherited the High Seat anyway, it would have depended if a female offspring had been born in the House in the interim. Tigraine would have worked very hard to convince an allied Great House to marry a suitable daughter to Galad or to another close Mantear male relative such as Luc (a woman like Morgase's younger daughter, one of Luan's granddaughter etc. Anyone with enough lines to Ishara any House was willing to let go to Mantear in exchange for her becoming a Mantear Queen after Tigraine). That woman, more likely than Galad, would have inherited the High Seat of Mantear. Of course, that would not have been so easy, as the Houses stood a chance to gain the Throne for themselves if they refused to marry a daughter to Galad.... but if they refused, another House might accept Tigraine's offer....
Galad's age when Tigraine died is what ruled him out of her succession to the High Seat, not his name.
Remember, we don't even know for sure that just because Galad adopts the name of Damodred he was excluded under Andoran law from his mother's House. He may well have been part of Tigraine's house despite the name, in fact he most likely was as it would be very strange a noblewoman could legally strip her eldest child from his birthrights. Taringail joined Morgase's House officially, and yet retained his Carhienin name, so there's no legal conflict in doing that. Only Tigraine's death and Morgase's adoption possibly has changed Galad's Andoran house (if he's part of one, but he most likely is), but he still uses his Cairhienin House name. He might just follow his father's wishes in that, for all we know, not matter what his Andoran house is.
That Galad remained a Damodred by name counted for not much. Mantear lost not much, except Laman may have made it a sine qua non condition that Taringail's first son would be allowed to retain the name of Damodred, to emsure Taringail a descendance, perhaps in accordance with some Cairhienin law, for all we know (Elayne's case seems to indicate it's not even necessary - she could use the name Damodred in Cairhien and Trakand in Andor if she so wished - and it might rather have had been a matter of pride for Taringail and Laman, pride in the name, not to see the larger part of Taringail's Damodred inheritance pass to a Mantear or Trakand and so on. He passed some to Gawyn-Elayne, but no doubt his eldest got the lion's part). The fact he was Tigraine's son was enough if he had to play a role in Andor eventually. He would have been his sister's First Prince and all that.
Male genealogy counts for fairly little in Andor. It's not even unknown for a Queen to marry a commoner. Ishara herself did just that. That it isn't done more owes to the fact wedding powerful lords into your house or your minor daughters into other Houses make solid alliances which any House needs to maintain their power and eventually advance in position.
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aMoL UK cover and Blurb (SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!)
21/05/2012 06:44:26 PM
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Thoughts...
21/05/2012 06:46:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 08:45:41 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 09:04:09 PM
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Re: Thoughts...
21/05/2012 09:35:29 PM
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Mat and the madness...
21/05/2012 10:30:09 PM
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Nynaeve's revelation may make the AS even more worried of Rand being mad
21/05/2012 10:58:37 PM
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Not Egwene though...
21/05/2012 11:02:41 PM
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Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
21/05/2012 11:26:41 PM
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Re: Maybe, maybe not ... Nynaeve just gave everyone proof of the extent of his possible madness
22/05/2012 01:14:05 AM
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Re: Mat and the madness...
22/05/2012 02:29:31 AM
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Rand's dreams...
22/05/2012 02:42:36 AM
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She assumes he's mad just like most people assume a 19 year old boy is horney
22/05/2012 03:47:49 AM
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Everything Egwene's little pea-brain does not grasp has always been a sign of madness to her.
21/05/2012 11:05:44 PM
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Oh read the books will you?
21/05/2012 11:12:06 PM
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I'd rather not. For different reasons, it's kind of painful to read those by either author.
22/05/2012 04:46:20 AM
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What caught my eye there was "Trollocs seize Caemlyn."
22/05/2012 02:12:25 PM
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As much as I would love Moiraine to go with him to Ebou Dar
22/05/2012 07:20:40 PM
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At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
22/05/2012 09:08:42 PM
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Re: At this stage, all roads lead to Rand.
23/05/2012 08:07:56 PM
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Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
23/05/2012 08:53:53 PM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
23/05/2012 09:01:10 PM
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It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
23/05/2012 09:22:47 PM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
24/05/2012 07:34:40 AM
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Re: It all depends on whether the actual Crystal Throne is, as many suspect, a ter'angreal.
25/05/2012 01:23:21 AM
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Re: Well, like I say, there is no reason they could not ALL meet up with Tuon.
24/05/2012 02:41:55 PM
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Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
24/05/2012 07:04:02 PM
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Re: Aviendha's visions from Rhuidean indicate he will kneel...
26/05/2012 09:42:20 PM
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Agreed...
26/05/2012 09:57:06 PM
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I think you are extrapolating some of his actions into more than he intends
26/05/2012 10:37:44 PM
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Re: Agreed...
27/05/2012 04:26:15 AM
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I think you're both wrong...
27/05/2012 08:41:50 AM
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I'm sure that is part of it, but I very much doubt he is thinking in terms of succession
27/05/2012 01:41:37 PM
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I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 02:48:26 AM
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Re: I can't believe Galad will be accepted as a ruler since he is the Lord Captain Commander
28/05/2012 04:54:46 PM
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That makes no sense
28/05/2012 05:50:16 PM
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Taringail was Laman's heir...
28/05/2012 07:20:07 PM
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You are answering the wrong question
29/05/2012 02:19:48 PM
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No. I've answered the exact question. You seem to have missed it.
29/05/2012 04:40:17 PM
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Yet not one of these things actually happened
29/05/2012 10:13:35 PM
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You're being absurd...
30/05/2012 01:04:36 AM
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Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
30/05/2012 05:48:48 AM
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30/05/2012 06:11:02 AM
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Why then would Taringail, an ambitious man, renounce a Throne?
30/05/2012 06:22:08 AM
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We don't fully know...
30/05/2012 06:43:30 AM
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You just flipped your last statement
30/05/2012 06:55:36 AM
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You seem extremely confused...
30/05/2012 09:56:30 AM
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Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 12:15:59 PM
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Re: Not confused, simply not satisfied with the information we have
30/05/2012 03:34:06 PM
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I am not contesting the information we have
30/05/2012 04:48:08 PM
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You're impossible...
30/05/2012 10:02:59 PM
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Re: Explain why Taringail didn't become King after Laman's death then
30/05/2012 02:22:21 PM
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See this maps back to my original stance ... Thanks for pointing out that Fionwe invented that
30/05/2012 05:09:14 PM
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Good, now you have one last thing (a few inches long) to remember so everything becomes clear....
30/05/2012 10:50:33 PM
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Re: That makes no sense
29/05/2012 04:39:45 PM
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Only one other thing...
29/05/2012 04:53:29 PM
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No. If that was the case Taringail would have been King of Cairhien and not have married Morgase *NM*
30/05/2012 05:52:18 AM
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Bryne was Captain General not First Prince and Taringail was Prince Consort not FP
30/05/2012 06:07:48 AM
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Bryne was First Prince Regent.
30/05/2012 06:19:33 AM
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No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
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Re: No Forsaken will go near that Ter'angreal
27/05/2012 03:23:12 AM
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Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
27/05/2012 01:50:19 PM
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Re: Aviendha reprogrammed the ter'angreal
27/05/2012 06:44:41 PM
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I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
28/05/2012 02:10:14 AM
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Re: I'd have to re-read to be 100% certain, but the way I read the passage
28/05/2012 03:33:18 PM
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one *NM*
28/05/2012 05:18:40 PM
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He might not literally kneel before the ter'angreal, but almost certainly must meet with Tuon soon.
25/05/2012 03:40:54 AM
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