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I don't - I merely appreciate it as a factor Sidious Send a noteboard - 03/11/2012 04:48:24 PM
Lanfear at 10% more than Moiraine would still be vastly more powerful than Moiraine due to training.

Of which you have zero evidence. Nynaeve is almost as useless as a channeler can be and she defeated Moghedien. Verin managed to stand against inverted/reversed weaves as the Cleansing. And don't forget Rand who has defeated numerous Forsaken, including Asmodean using almost no training. It seems that the difference between a hugely skilled channeler and moderately trained one isn't that big. Merean vs Moiraine is a good example of how training can influence a battle.

You cheapen the Forsaken by making their power all about their Strength. And you ignore the text which tells us over and over how worthless strength really is when compared to training. Even Moghedien states it and she is the only one of the Forsaken who even seems to notice Strength unless they are surprised.

Yeah strength is so useless that all of the Forsaken are the strongest in the Power in the series. It's so useless that Mazrim Taim is now a Forsaken. Why not Alviarin then?

I've never said it's the prime factor - obviously they are all immensely skilled. I just recognize it as a factor, but you don't. You continue to stubbornly insist that Forsaken level channelers aren't that strong when we have channelers like Rand who shield two Aes Sedai with almost zero effort. Even the Aes Sedai are shocked, but we are supposed to believe that together, those women are approaching him. They're leagues from his strength, and even THEY know it.

Cyndane v. Alivia is all I need from the books to see that strength is irrelevant in the grand scheme.

It's irrelevant when the channeler can't even use the Power to make a parasol with the Power. Egwene would have done much better against Cyndane because she knows more about the Power. But she still would have needed an angreal.

Egwene couldn't match any Forsaken when she makes the statement, but a few books later she says out right that she could face Mesaana

She's never said that. She offered herself up as bait.

Anyway, I'm not going to continue to re hash the same conversation we've been having for years without a significant body of new quotes. All we'll end up doing is pulling the same ones that have been around for 20 years :)

The arguments are repetitive because you don't address any points raised, just fling about other random stuff, and you also don't concede anything.
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