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RJ debated with himself a bit on Sorilea's strength, assigning low-range, mid-range, and high-range strengths for her. He eventually ended up going with low-range, but still not really approaching the depths of Moiraine's post-Ghenjei strength.

The Wise Ones have more detail on strength than any other non-Aes Sedai group except maybe the Kin. These groups interacted often with the Aes Sedai, sometimes in power (not Power) struggles, and while strength wasn't a factor with the Kin and the Aiel, it was a factor for the Aes Sedai in how they perceived those women.

The debate on Sorilea is a good example of how RJ's notes go. Very, very little is set in stone until the moment when he writes it. He has tons of notes that are marked UNUSED - CAN CHANGE or some variation thereof. It was often UNUSED AS OF CROWN or whatever book; he was very haphazard about reminder protocol, but since the notes themselves are updated haphazardly, book markers were probably necessary to help keep things straight.


Interesting. And I'm glad Sorelia was kept weak. That added a ton of interest to her character, and RJ used it very well in driving Egwene's realization that the Tower shouldn't be discarding women weak in the OP.


RJ made cut-off points for certain files when they reached a certain level of obsoletion. His notes versions also appear to have evolved haphazardly. Thus you have some notes that appear to have been written pre–Winter's Heart, perhaps pre-TPOD, but he quotes a scene from WH somewhere in the notes. Maybe he wrote most of the notes post-TPOD, and the scene in question was one of the first scenes written for WH. That happens a lot. His outline for TGH makes references to assorted, non-chronological scenes from TGH that were already written, and doesn't describe those scenes in the same detail as the unwritten ones. But maybe he wrote the bulk of the notes at one time and kept updating that file (haphazardly) for a couple more books until he made new files.

All this, I think, only deepens my respect for the level of consistency in the series. Yes, he had detailed notes and assistants, but the man himself clearly had a great organizational structure in his head that he never put on paper. No wonder so many things unspooled when Brandon took over.
Random detail from those TGH notes: he described the scene with Lanfear putting on Rand's shirt in great detail. It's amusing how much thought he puts into the sex-related stuff. He loved his lesbians very much.

Lol! I remember finding that scene to be one of the sexiest in the series, for all that it is relatively tame.
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One Power strength: New information from RJ's notes - 01/05/2014 11:39:32 PM 4424 Views
interesting. i wonder what else they'll dig up - 01/05/2014 11:46:19 PM 1805 Views
College of Charleston library - 02/05/2014 12:21:01 AM 1891 Views
Still... really cool, thanks! *NM* - 03/05/2014 06:35:05 PM 989 Views
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Bringing it all together... - 02/05/2014 10:34:12 AM 1782 Views
Can't accept that, sorry... - 02/05/2014 03:17:05 PM 1862 Views
How that CAN be interpreted however, is... - 02/05/2014 03:38:38 PM 1524 Views
Sorry, no... - 02/05/2014 06:00:56 PM 1556 Views
Here are some key flaws, unfortunately... - 02/05/2014 07:56:53 PM 1433 Views
Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... - 02/05/2014 09:50:23 PM 1495 Views
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Not totally accurate - 17/05/2015 11:15:30 PM 1393 Views
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Re: Not totally accurate - 05/06/2015 08:22:13 PM 1396 Views
Re: Not totally accurate - 05/06/2015 09:16:51 PM 1702 Views
Re: Not totally accurate - 06/06/2015 03:48:34 PM 1384 Views
Re: How that CAN be interpreted however, is... - 02/05/2014 09:39:06 PM 1693 Views
Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. - 02/05/2014 09:57:37 PM 1570 Views
Ahh, the Rand with Egwene and Elayne scene... - 02/05/2014 10:19:05 PM 1781 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. - 02/05/2014 10:45:12 PM 1640 Views
About that... - 02/05/2014 10:48:18 PM 1472 Views
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Re: About that... - 17/05/2015 03:07:22 AM 1377 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. - 05/06/2015 03:16:50 PM 1621 Views
Thanks a ton for that Dom... - 02/05/2014 10:24:02 PM 1510 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... - 02/05/2014 11:09:16 PM 1415 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... - 02/05/2014 11:36:55 PM 1580 Views
More on Aiel learners - 03/05/2014 12:46:19 AM 1570 Views
Interesting. - 03/05/2014 02:32:23 AM 1471 Views
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Oh... - 03/05/2014 02:35:08 AM 1501 Views
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Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? - 07/05/2014 01:31:54 AM 1557 Views
Re: Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? - 07/05/2014 02:59:42 AM 1711 Views
Thanks Dom, I'm genuinely puzzled, though... - 07/05/2014 09:04:08 AM 1602 Views
Some things to consider... - 07/05/2014 11:22:46 PM 1431 Views
Re: Some things to consider... - 17/05/2015 03:32:22 AM 1372 Views
Vegeta! What does the scouter say about his power level? - 02/05/2014 04:38:59 PM 1464 Views
mmm, Vegeta *NM* - 03/05/2014 08:32:36 AM 975 Views
Sorilea and comments on the general structure of the notes - 02/05/2014 09:20:26 PM 1778 Views
Is there any reference whatsoever about strength multiples? - 02/05/2014 09:34:50 PM 1626 Views
I will let you know if I see something like that... - 02/05/2014 10:20:46 PM 1498 Views
Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle - 03/05/2014 11:04:31 PM 1602 Views
Re: Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle - 04/05/2014 06:16:52 AM 1624 Views
Interesting... - 04/05/2014 08:14:19 AM 1656 Views
Re: Interesting... - 05/05/2014 04:08:41 PM 1563 Views
LOL! - 02/05/2014 09:46:11 PM 1641 Views
More info on Sorilea - 02/05/2014 10:04:50 PM 1775 Views
This is great! - 02/05/2014 10:23:31 PM 1690 Views
In the original he might have kissed her. - 03/05/2014 12:49:53 AM 1554 Views
Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. - 05/05/2014 02:53:00 PM 1770 Views
Easy answer - 10/05/2014 02:49:53 PM 1504 Views
Can't argue with that! - 18/05/2014 12:31:01 AM 1640 Views
Therava/Galina - 10/05/2014 02:58:09 PM 2101 Views
Came across one of the oldest strength lists I'd seen... - 02/05/2014 10:46:29 PM 1573 Views
#10 seems weird. An Aes Sedai who never reached her full potential? - 03/05/2014 06:43:41 PM 1724 Views
Not weird. There is a good reason. - 03/05/2014 09:30:40 PM 1715 Views
One question... - 03/05/2014 09:44:35 PM 1658 Views
yes to both *NM* - 03/05/2014 10:49:29 PM 1046 Views
Suian? - 04/05/2014 04:50:32 PM 1625 Views
Does not meet the criteria I gave. *NM* - 10/05/2014 05:23:27 AM 925 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 11/05/2014 05:49:31 AM 1540 Views
Not someone who was severed, burned out, or anything like that. *NM* - 11/05/2014 01:27:28 PM 959 Views
Did she join the Aes Sedai especially early or late in life? - 11/05/2014 01:47:27 PM 1554 Views
no... - 11/05/2014 04:27:07 PM 1426 Views
Wild guess... - 11/05/2014 06:51:27 PM 1478 Views
One of Terez's criteria - 11/05/2014 09:24:57 PM 1438 Views
Hmmm... - 12/05/2014 08:51:33 AM 1429 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 13/05/2014 06:14:12 PM 1611 Views
Even I don't know what Dom is talking about. *NM* - 13/05/2014 06:24:23 PM 932 Views
Does it have anything to do with the Sharans? - 13/05/2014 10:35:45 PM 1490 Views
no - 14/05/2014 07:52:27 AM 1505 Views
Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... - 13/05/2014 09:26:02 PM 1538 Views
Kiruna... - 13/05/2014 10:34:32 PM 1455 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 13/05/2014 10:38:05 PM 1384 Views
Re: Hmmm... - 14/05/2014 04:09:42 AM 1461 Views
Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM 1532 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 14/05/2014 07:55:20 AM 1506 Views
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Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 15/05/2014 03:59:02 AM 1570 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 16/05/2014 04:06:02 PM 1435 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? - 17/05/2014 03:01:25 AM 1545 Views
Perhaps Romanda? - 05/06/2015 04:22:31 PM 1583 Views
Re: Perhaps Romanda? - 05/06/2015 08:39:31 PM 1253 Views
Re: Wild guess... - 12/05/2014 05:33:53 AM 1539 Views
Alternatively, someone who went to live in Far Madding... - 12/05/2014 12:08:07 PM 1520 Views
That was one of my guesses... - 12/05/2014 04:57:56 PM 1310 Views
Redirect to my initial "Not weird" post. *NM* - 12/05/2014 06:59:02 PM 936 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 20/05/2014 02:23:13 AM 1442 Views
Lots of no *NM* - 20/05/2014 02:30:25 AM 946 Views
You're killing me. - 20/05/2014 02:55:21 AM 1446 Views
I won't just tell you :p But... - 20/05/2014 10:31:27 AM 1545 Views
Wild speculation - 20/05/2014 01:39:52 PM 1450 Views
Could it be Verin who always used her angreal? - 20/05/2014 02:07:30 PM 1434 Views
Hmmm - 20/05/2014 03:37:57 PM 1449 Views
Well, I'm not saying she did it to appear weaker... - 20/05/2014 03:48:10 PM 1353 Views
The buffer - 20/05/2014 04:10:58 PM 1467 Views
I doubt using an angreal means you don't progress in natural strength - 20/05/2014 06:02:00 PM 1634 Views
Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 20/05/2014 11:53:11 PM 1498 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 21/05/2014 01:55:15 AM 1430 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 22/05/2014 02:33:30 AM 1491 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 22/05/2014 05:04:00 AM 1561 Views
So... - 22/05/2014 05:12:48 AM 1410 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 22/05/2014 11:55:38 AM 1410 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. - 24/05/2014 02:07:01 AM 1456 Views
I didn't say that - 24/05/2014 11:24:30 PM 1504 Views
Re: I didn't say that - 25/05/2014 02:32:46 PM 1474 Views
did she deliberately keep her growth slow? A small theory too - 17/05/2015 11:54:28 PM 1393 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 05:49:42 PM 1615 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 06:05:28 PM 1325 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 06:23:28 PM 1598 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. - 04/06/2015 08:37:20 PM 1291 Views
I think this will be in the Encyclopedia, so... - 10/06/2015 03:06:42 PM 1435 Views
you are such a tease *NM* - 10/06/2015 09:05:10 PM 770 Views
Why doesn't someone... - 24/05/2014 11:25:51 PM 1639 Views
Favourite part about this post... - 12/05/2014 07:12:51 AM 1647 Views
With regard to #10- does it involve the Oath Rod, in some way? - 15/05/2014 02:53:45 PM 1466 Views
no *NM* - 15/05/2014 07:16:16 PM 904 Views
Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! - 17/05/2014 01:32:04 PM 1528 Views
Re: Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! - 17/05/2014 08:45:59 PM 1566 Views
An Aes Sedai who was sent away from the Tower? - 17/05/2014 10:01:44 PM 1570 Views
Again, no reason to think this Aes Sedai did not channel often. *NM* - 18/05/2014 04:32:06 AM 941 Views
Did the Aes Sedai live in relative seclusion, did she have a Warder, and did that Warder die? *NM* - 20/05/2014 06:03:04 PM 1059 Views
Too specific - 20/05/2014 11:51:25 PM 1505 Views
Re: Too specific - 21/05/2014 05:32:32 AM 1416 Views
You think THAT isn't specific? *NM* - 22/05/2014 02:41:53 AM 955 Views
It's a fine mess that no one can work out - 09/06/2014 09:20:56 AM 1648 Views
Re: It's a fine mess that no one can work out - 04/06/2015 08:48:20 PM 1667 Views

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