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Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM

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Elayne doesn't matter, it's about what Terez said about her. .

As far as I know, all she's said is:
Egwene had reached her full potential by the end. Elayne, Aviendha and Nynaeve had not. One very old Aes Sedai also had not (an exception).

And:


Some might have argued that Elayne and Nynaeve reached it by the end, but they weren't really even close. Nynaeve was closer.

These are the statements you mean, correct? The only other relevant point is her talking about Nynaeve not reaching her potential despite the Cleansing:


Agreed on that point. I guess one all-day workout—even if that is an understatement—isn't quite the same as a daily routine.

To me, this raises the interesting point: forcing happens when you continuously use nearly as much of the OP as you can handle. This makes you reach your potential faster. Does it follow that if you rarely hold the full amount of OP you can, you will reach your potential very slowly?

A strong Aes Sedai who doesn't go about adventuring perhaps won't have to hold all the OP they can very often. Their daily tasks will need very little of the OP, which would be less than what they can hold. Is this the reason for someone not reaching their potential?


It can lead you to make a simple logical deduction. That deduction, in the light of information from the series about Aes Sedai could lead you to one of the reasons why a potential may never be reached.

We know from the books that some Aes Sedai rarely leave the Tower. A Brown, or even one of the other Ajah that is primarily an administrator, may rarely use the OP much, and certainly not all they can. Am I close?
It's not very straight forward as far as clues go (even Terez wondered where I was going with that until I explained it). Once you make the right observation, you need to make a few more deductions. It's logical ones, though.

Hope I get there before the encyclopedia...





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One Power strength: New information from RJ's notes fionwe1987 - 01/05/2014 11:39:32 PM 4695 Views
interesting. i wonder what else they'll dig up AgentApple - 01/05/2014 11:46:19 PM 2005 Views
College of Charleston library Terez - 02/05/2014 12:21:01 AM 2098 Views
Still... really cool, thanks! *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2014 06:35:05 PM 1095 Views
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Bringing it all together... Shannow - 02/05/2014 10:34:12 AM 2030 Views
Can't accept that, sorry... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 03:17:05 PM 2099 Views
How that CAN be interpreted however, is... Shannow - 02/05/2014 03:38:38 PM 1755 Views
Sorry, no... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 06:00:56 PM 1765 Views
Here are some key flaws, unfortunately... Shannow - 02/05/2014 07:56:53 PM 1629 Views
Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 09:50:23 PM 1709 Views
Re: Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:59:45 PM 1699 Views
Who said the Tower picked weaker channelers? There's an interesting Egwene quote... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:13:08 PM 1731 Views
Not totally accurate darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 11:15:30 PM 1596 Views
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Re: Not totally accurate darius_sedai - 05/06/2015 08:22:13 PM 1615 Views
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Re: Not totally accurate darius_sedai - 06/06/2015 03:48:34 PM 1600 Views
Re: How that CAN be interpreted however, is... DomA - 02/05/2014 09:39:06 PM 1902 Views
Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:57:37 PM 1779 Views
Ahh, the Rand with Egwene and Elayne scene... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:19:05 PM 2134 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. DomA - 02/05/2014 10:45:12 PM 1831 Views
About that... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:48:18 PM 1679 Views
Re: About that... DomA - 02/05/2014 11:12:01 PM 1824 Views
Re: About that... darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 03:07:22 AM 1546 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 03:16:50 PM 1825 Views
Thanks a ton for that Dom... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:24:02 PM 1690 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... DomA - 02/05/2014 11:09:16 PM 1629 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 11:36:55 PM 1775 Views
More on Aiel learners Terez - 03/05/2014 12:46:19 AM 1744 Views
Interesting. fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 02:32:23 AM 1673 Views
Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... DomA - 03/05/2014 01:02:23 AM 1786 Views
Oh... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 02:35:08 AM 1713 Views
Re: Oh... DomA - 03/05/2014 04:29:34 AM 2254 Views
Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? fionwe1987 - 07/05/2014 01:31:54 AM 1826 Views
Re: Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? DomA - 07/05/2014 02:59:42 AM 1930 Views
Thanks Dom, I'm genuinely puzzled, though... Shannow - 07/05/2014 09:04:08 AM 1843 Views
Some things to consider... fionwe1987 - 07/05/2014 11:22:46 PM 1660 Views
Re: Some things to consider... darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 03:32:22 AM 1566 Views
Vegeta! What does the scouter say about his power level? mogi67 - 02/05/2014 04:38:59 PM 1660 Views
mmm, Vegeta *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 08:32:36 AM 1094 Views
Sorilea and comments on the general structure of the notes Terez - 02/05/2014 09:20:26 PM 2015 Views
Is there any reference whatsoever about strength multiples? Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:34:50 PM 1850 Views
I will let you know if I see something like that... Terez - 02/05/2014 10:20:46 PM 1685 Views
Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle Shannow - 03/05/2014 11:04:31 PM 1810 Views
Re: Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle DomA - 04/05/2014 06:16:52 AM 1847 Views
Interesting... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2014 08:14:19 AM 1858 Views
Re: Interesting... DomA - 05/05/2014 04:08:41 PM 1806 Views
LOL! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 09:46:11 PM 1883 Views
More info on Sorilea Terez - 02/05/2014 10:04:50 PM 1979 Views
This is great! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:23:31 PM 1926 Views
In the original he might have kissed her. Terez - 03/05/2014 12:49:53 AM 1742 Views
Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. MonCul - 05/05/2014 02:53:00 PM 2018 Views
Re: Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. DomA - 05/05/2014 04:25:18 PM 1734 Views
Easy answer Terez - 10/05/2014 02:49:53 PM 1742 Views
Can't argue with that! MonCul - 18/05/2014 12:31:01 AM 1874 Views
Therava/Galina Terez - 10/05/2014 02:58:09 PM 2360 Views
Came across one of the oldest strength lists I'd seen... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:46:29 PM 1790 Views
#10 seems weird. An Aes Sedai who never reached her full potential? beetnemesis - 03/05/2014 06:43:41 PM 1923 Views
Not weird. There is a good reason. Terez - 03/05/2014 09:30:40 PM 1897 Views
One question... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 09:44:35 PM 1845 Views
yes to both *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 10:49:29 PM 1140 Views
Suian? MikeyMikeyMikey - 04/05/2014 04:50:32 PM 1807 Views
I see why you think that, but by the way Aes Sedai judge people on strength, I doubt it beetnemesis - 09/05/2014 03:48:21 PM 1563 Views
Does not meet the criteria I gave. *NM* Terez - 10/05/2014 05:23:27 AM 1037 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Dirty - 11/05/2014 05:49:31 AM 1738 Views
Not someone who was severed, burned out, or anything like that. *NM* Terez - 11/05/2014 01:27:28 PM 1052 Views
Did she join the Aes Sedai especially early or late in life? beetnemesis - 11/05/2014 01:47:27 PM 1748 Views
no... Terez - 11/05/2014 04:27:07 PM 1619 Views
Wild guess... fionwe1987 - 11/05/2014 06:51:27 PM 1651 Views
One of Terez's criteria DomA - 11/05/2014 09:24:57 PM 1614 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 08:51:33 AM 1636 Views
Re: Hmmm... DomA - 13/05/2014 06:14:12 PM 1839 Views
Even I don't know what Dom is talking about. *NM* Terez - 13/05/2014 06:24:23 PM 1033 Views
Does it have anything to do with the Sharans? fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:35:45 PM 1677 Views
no Terez - 14/05/2014 07:52:27 AM 1716 Views
Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... Shannow - 13/05/2014 09:26:02 PM 1759 Views
Kiruna... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:34:32 PM 1684 Views
Re: Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... DomA - 14/05/2014 03:16:24 AM 1778 Views
Re: Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:38:05 PM 1565 Views
Re: Hmmm... DomA - 14/05/2014 04:09:42 AM 1657 Views
Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM 1737 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? Terez - 14/05/2014 07:55:20 AM 1695 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 08:14:05 AM 1619 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 15/05/2014 03:59:02 AM 1770 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 16/05/2014 04:06:02 PM 1632 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 17/05/2014 03:01:25 AM 1729 Views
Perhaps Romanda? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 04:22:31 PM 1766 Views
Re: Perhaps Romanda? darius_sedai - 05/06/2015 08:39:31 PM 1434 Views
Re: Wild guess... Terez - 12/05/2014 05:33:53 AM 1769 Views
Just tell them it is Satelle Anan, or one of those women who got burned out early in life... Shannow - 12/05/2014 11:59:06 AM 1805 Views
Have you even read my subject lines? :p *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 01:05:47 PM 1023 Views
Alternatively, someone who went to live in Far Madding... Shannow - 12/05/2014 12:08:07 PM 1720 Views
That was one of my guesses... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 04:57:56 PM 1489 Views
Redirect to my initial "Not weird" post. *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 06:59:02 PM 1046 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:23:13 AM 1637 Views
Lots of no *NM* Terez - 20/05/2014 02:30:25 AM 1070 Views
You're killing me. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:55:21 AM 1648 Views
I won't just tell you :p But... Terez - 20/05/2014 10:31:27 AM 1722 Views
Wild speculation Zalvera - 20/05/2014 01:39:52 PM 1647 Views
Could it be Verin who always used her angreal? Shannow - 20/05/2014 02:07:30 PM 1628 Views
Hmmm Zalvera - 20/05/2014 03:37:57 PM 1643 Views
Well, I'm not saying she did it to appear weaker... Shannow - 20/05/2014 03:48:10 PM 1548 Views
The buffer Zalvera - 20/05/2014 04:10:58 PM 1691 Views
I doubt using an angreal means you don't progress in natural strength beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:02:00 PM 1809 Views
Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 20/05/2014 11:53:11 PM 1696 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 21/05/2014 01:55:15 AM 1629 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 22/05/2014 02:33:30 AM 1713 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 22/05/2014 05:04:00 AM 1770 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 05:12:48 AM 1613 Views
While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Shannow - 22/05/2014 08:49:02 AM 1626 Views
Re: While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Zalvera - 22/05/2014 12:03:02 PM 1523 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 22/05/2014 11:55:38 AM 1621 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 24/05/2014 02:07:01 AM 1632 Views
I didn't say that Terez - 24/05/2014 11:24:30 PM 1684 Views
Re: I didn't say that DomA - 25/05/2014 02:32:46 PM 1692 Views
did she deliberately keep her growth slow? A small theory too darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 11:54:28 PM 1601 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 05:49:42 PM 1845 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 06:05:28 PM 1537 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 06:23:28 PM 1797 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 08:37:20 PM 1493 Views
I think this will be in the Encyclopedia, so... Terez - 10/06/2015 03:06:42 PM 1632 Views
you are such a tease *NM* darius_sedai - 10/06/2015 09:05:10 PM 859 Views
Why doesn't someone... Terez - 24/05/2014 11:25:51 PM 1841 Views
Favourite part about this post... Duke - 12/05/2014 07:12:51 AM 1865 Views
With regard to #10- does it involve the Oath Rod, in some way? beetnemesis - 15/05/2014 02:53:45 PM 1644 Views
no *NM* Terez - 15/05/2014 07:16:16 PM 1018 Views
Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 01:32:04 PM 1741 Views
Re: Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! DomA - 17/05/2014 08:45:59 PM 1777 Views
An Aes Sedai who was sent away from the Tower? beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 10:01:44 PM 1789 Views
Again, no reason to think this Aes Sedai did not channel often. *NM* Terez - 18/05/2014 04:32:06 AM 1059 Views
Did the Aes Sedai live in relative seclusion, did she have a Warder, and did that Warder die? *NM* beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:03:04 PM 1157 Views
Too specific Terez - 20/05/2014 11:51:25 PM 1703 Views
Re: Too specific Dirty - 21/05/2014 05:32:32 AM 1631 Views
You think THAT isn't specific? *NM* fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 02:41:53 AM 1061 Views
It's a fine mess that no one can work out Sidious - 09/06/2014 09:20:56 AM 1888 Views
Re: It's a fine mess that no one can work out RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 08:48:20 PM 1896 Views
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